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  • Michigan Senate Passes Bill Saying Sodomy Is A Felony Punishable By 15 Years in Prison

    Lawmaker Says Removing Sodomy Ban Would Kill An Important Animal Protection Bill

    The Michigan Senate has passed a bill that effectively reaffirms the state's unconstitutional law making sodomy a felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison. 

    Michigan is one of more than a dozen states that still have sodomy bans on the books, despite the U.S. Supreme Court's 2003 ruling in Lawrence v. Texas declaring them unconstitutional.

    Some states' sodomy laws specifically target gay relations, but Michigan's is among those that make oral and anal sex crimes illegal regardless of whether they're same-sex or different-sex. Michigan is also one of several states with a sodomy ban that's intertwined with a prohibition on bestiality – effectively equating the two. The law makes it a felony for anyone to commit "the abominable and detestable crime against nature with mankind or with any animal." If the person is already a sex offender, violations are punishable by life in prison. 

    For the last several years, Michigan legislators have been trying to pass an important package of bills referred to as Logan's Law, designed to keep pets out of the hands of animal abusers, according to The Detroit Free Press. Among the bills in the Logan's Law package — named for a Siberian husky who died tragically after acid was intentionally poured on him — is Senate Bill 219, by GOP Sen. Rick Jones. In addition to barring convicted animal abusers from owning pets for five years, SB 219 would update language in the state's ban on bestiality and sodomy as follows: 

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    SB 219 passed the Senate Thursday, with the above language intact, and is expected to be considered by the House as early as next week. 

    This might seem like a great opportunity to finally remove the unconstitutional sodomy ban from the books, by simply striking the words "either with mankind or" from SB 219. However, Sen. Jones told The New Civil Rights Movement that such an amendment would jeopardize the whole bill. 

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    "The minute I cross that line and I start talking about the other stuff, I won’t even get another hearing. It’ll be done," Jones (photo, above) said. "Nobody wants to touch it. I would rather not even bring up the topic, because I know what would happen. You’d get both sides screaming and you end up with a big fight that’s not needed because it’s unconstitutional."

    Jones added that he believes the only way to repeal the sodomy ban would be a bill striking all unconstitutional laws from the state's books. 

    "But if you focus on it, people just go ballistic," he said. "If we could put a bill in that said anything that’s unconstitutional be removed from the legal books of Michigan, that’s probably something I could vote for, but am I going to mess up this dog bill that everybody wants? No."

     

    This article has been updated to reflect the bill's proper timeline.

     

    Image by Michigan Municipal League via Flickr and a CC license 

     

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    • commented 2016-03-07 09:50:29 -0500
      Do you want more teens to get pregnant in michigan. Plus flint is paying alot of money for poisoned water and Detroit is falling apart. And your worried about teenagers and adults not getting pregnant. Sodomy is keeps teens from getting pregnant. Now you do realize that there will be more teen moms and dad’s because of this stupid ass bill. You are the reason that teens are getting pregnant. Even if they use condoms they can break. Do I hope you happy for possibly ruining teens education.

    • commented 2016-03-07 09:50:28 -0500
      Do you want more teens to get pregnant in michigan. Plus flint is paying alot of money for poisoned water and Detroit is falling apart. And your worried about teenagers and adults not getting pregnant. Sodomy is keeps teens from getting pregnant. Now you do realize that there will be more teen moms and dad’s because of this stupid ass bill. You are the reason that teens are getting pregnant. Even if they use condoms they can break. Do I hope you happy for possibly ruining teens education.

    • commented 2016-02-23 17:33:36 -0500
      Amelia Reid my husband and I don’t engage in that kind of sex. Is post-shower fellatio okay with you? Because I’m 100% certain that straight people participate in that and in fact, men love it. Women have a whiz-hole at the top of the vagina. You know that of course, but since it IS a pee hole, does a gentleman’s face down there gross you out? I mean, eating pee is un-human and disgusting and i’m wondering how you feel about that. I guess I’m asking if you want to outlaw ALL oral sex, or jusst gay oral sex? I further want to know if you’ve ever even had sex at all, because I feel sorry for whatever unlucky sot has the misfortune of being stuck with your dead, dispassionate body lying under his strictly functional humping. Can I watch and make sure you’re not doing anything disgusting? I want to see what laws against your private behavior I should be drafting.

    • commented 2016-02-21 12:44:16 -0500
      Make sense to me! You have laws to protect the animals, more so for humans, even though some are acting like animals most of the times. Like wtf is sex using the ass, why not just suck shit at the same.time, better for animals who bury their shit on the ground, while some men eat it! Insane, just insane, it’s disgusting, un-natural un-human.

    • commented 2016-02-12 08:02:43 -0500
      As I posted a while ago, there’s no reason why they couldn’t omit language from the bill that outlaws the antiquated sodomy laws. Saying that it would hurt the animal abuse laws is ignorance, since it wouldn’t do anything to that particular law. Also, no where in this article does it mention that it’s a new law, just that sodomy laws were not stricken from an existing law that protects animals. Also, I don’t give a fuck who voted for it at this point, just the fact that they chose to keep it on the books is asinine. It would have been just as easy to cross out against humanity as it was “shall be”. Then there are people who think bringing snopes into the conversation as if that made any difference at all. What I’ve stated are facts, they just didn’t want to take this antiquated law off the books.

    • commented 2016-02-11 11:10:34 -0500
      So they could just strike out a couple more words and not only preserve bestiality laws but conform to the (2003) Lawrence v. Texas Supreme Court ruling that removed sodomy laws that made consensual sex between same sex couples illegal but our Michigan sex police still aren’t ready for equal sex rights so everyone must be open to jepordy i.e. harassment through unenforcable legal action. 13 years since Lawrence v Texas and this is how far Michigan has advanced. Back of the bus people.

    • commented 2016-02-09 15:42:58 -0500
      Looks like it’s technically true but not like it sounds on first blush — http://www.snopes.com/michigan-senate-crime-against-nature/

    • commented 2016-02-09 12:52:17 -0500
      Derwood, the fact that the Senator Jones knows that to even bring the subject up would cause arguments and debates and jeopardize an animal rights bill is indicative of the mindset of the right. Why not just cross out the language? Is it because, should things go wrong for Michigan’s gay population,, having such a law already on the books would speed the right to discriminate along? Or why not clarify the language to include specific sex acts? Is it because this way they can choose who to wield it against? I’ve heard the right call gay relationships “a crime against nature” many times. If that’s not what they mean, what is it? Who decides what is detestable? If it’s the Right, we’re in trouble. At the very least lumping consenting human’s relationships together with abusing animals should have been recognized as insulting, and the language stricken for that reason alone. Senator Jones is a member of the GOP and admitted that the sodomy language is there. Why would be he handing out “left wing propaganda”? That doesn’t make sense to me.

    • commented 2016-02-09 12:14:09 -0500
      I wish the twats that print these articles would read the whole God-damned bill. the “detestable” acts are described in the bill. fighting, binding against will, abduction, dissection – but NOWHERE is any sexual act referenced. just more left-wing propaganda.

    • commented 2016-02-09 09:30:48 -0500
      Another clever way of making Republicans do whatever they want. is it written in the Constitution that you can’t have sex? No. What about religion? yes. Do we have the freedom of religion in America? Yes. Do we protect those who do not believe in a certain religion and rules that follow it? Yes. Then why the fuck did this pass!? Their is absolutely no reason to make sodomy illegal. Yes beasiality is animal abuse. But what two people mutually want to do naked and in the privacy of their own house is none of the governments business. Ever!

    • commented 2016-02-09 09:30:45 -0500
      Another clever way of making Republicans do whatever they want. is it written in the Constitution that you can’t have sex? No. What about religion? yes. Do we have the freedom of religion in America? Yes. Do we protect those who do not believe in a certain religion and rules that follow it? Yes. Then why the fuck did this pass!? Their is absolutely no reason to make sodomy illegal. Yes beasiality is animal abuse. But what two people mutually want to do naked and in the privacy of their own house is none of the governments business. Ever!

    • commented 2016-02-09 09:25:12 -0500
      The sodomy problem is so bad that they decided to not to anything about all their POISONOUS LEAD PIPES. America; the republicans are trying to fuck you over AGAIN.

    • commented 2016-02-09 00:36:12 -0500
      Yes, this bill does not specifically mention sodomy. The bill it’s amending does, though (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(ft1czj0wyviqdbxrunduwzkn))/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-750-158 if you want to read the specific section).
      Jeff Richey is correct. They just didn’t remove the offending language when amending the bill. It’s not a new law they added, it’s an old law they didn’t take out.
      But in regards to what Rick Jones said, I don’t think the only way to repeal the sodomy ban is to go after every unconstitutional law on the books with impunity. You can repeal specific laws or amend laws to take out parts that are unconstitutional. Which they could’ve done here.
      And on that note, I also don’t agree with Jones saying that it would cause a “big fight”. There’d be no point in anyone opposing an amendment to take “either with mankind or” out of the bill, because the fact that it’s there is unconstitutional; if they fought it anyway, they’d have no ground to stand on because, again, it’s unconstitutional, and it’d look pretty bad to oppose an anti-animal abuse law because of an amendment taking out something unconstitutional. It’d be a pretty short fight.
      Jones is just being disingenuous here IMO.

    • commented 2016-02-08 23:41:15 -0500
      If you click on SB219 it does not say what you say it says. Come on – be ethical if not moral. Use standards that you would want every one to use.

    • commented 2016-02-08 23:07:03 -0500
      The wording of this and other articles on this topic suggest that Michigan newly added and passed this wording.; It already existed. They simply did not remove it when a preexisting bill’s language was updated. That is so not the same thing. How’s about reporting the truth not only in the article, but the headline.

    • commented 2016-02-08 19:55:59 -0500
      Team Snyder’s PR team is pulling out all the stops! They are literally given their Base the T&A, while simultaneously given Flint the F&U.

    • commented 2016-02-08 19:43:31 -0500
      To all you idiots, the role call very CLEARLY shows that ALL democrat MI senators voted in favor of it and the only one who voted no was a republican. Even one of the sponsors was a democrat! Stop believing everything you read moron.

      It’s on page 7 of the role call PDF. You can look it up on their website under SB 219.

    • commented 2016-02-08 19:39:48 -0500
      Gotta love no one admitting that the bill doesn’t say you can’t have certain kinds of sex. It doesn’t even mention intercourse, sex, or reproduction. Just “crimes against nature”. Remember that felony charges must be proved in court, so a jury of your peers would have to be convinced that these acts are “crimes against nature”.

    • commented 2016-02-08 19:38:20 -0500
      Gotta love no one admitting that the bill doesn’t say you can’t have certain kinds of sex. It doesn’t even mention intercourse, sex, or reproduction. Just "crimes agai

    • commented 2016-02-08 15:54:13 -0500
      michigan??? right, the state that poisons its people….well once the governor ends up in jail and the state wastes money defending him, the state will loose more money defending this bs law in front of the scotus,,,,

    • commented 2016-02-08 15:09:25 -0500
      Change the headline to: 2 in the Pink and 1 in Stink will get you 15 in the Clink.

    • commented 2016-02-08 10:17:18 -0500
      So, you shouldn’t put things in butts, but you can put lead in drinking water. What if people put leaded water in butts? Would that be ok?

    • commented 2016-02-07 11:45:20 -0500
      Mark Lewis: Short answer: If they remove the sodomy language from the bill, local police will have one less excuse to harass people. If someone proposes striking that language, the god-botherers will be out in full force. They could care less about unconstitutional, because Jesus.

      Sounds like Sen. Jones has a good take on his colleagues.

    • commented 2016-02-07 11:16:22 -0500
      I don’t care what the other posters wrote, omitting sodomy laws on the books will NOT change the animal abuse laws that we have on the books. It’s as easy as crossing out words, as shown above. So why the hell are they keeping this antiquated law on the books? It’s only there so they can say it’s still illegal here.

    • commented 2016-02-07 09:20:04 -0500
      @brady Mitchell: They had the option of removing the sodomy language, which they are already editing as you can see above. Why not just remove it? They have chosen not to, for the reasons stated by Sen. Jones. That’s not misleading. That’s what happened.

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