'I'm Not Judging These Two Gay Men' Jack Phillips Claims
Jack Phillips is a Christian who refuses to bake cakes for same-sex couples' weddings, insisting that Jesus Christ also would have refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple.
"I don't believe that Jesus would have made the cake," Phillips told "The View" late last week, as HuffPost reports. He says he's not judging anyone, it's merely about his First Amendment rights of free expression as an artist. Phillips says he also won't bake cakes for Halloween, or for "adult-themed parties," and when asked, he said he would refuse to bake a cake for the KKK.
"I serve everybody all the time but I don't make every cake for every event that's required," he says. "It's a difficult thing to be in my position and know that somebody is requesting something that I can't in good conscience do."
He has lost every court case in Colorado, but his attorney, Kristen Waggoner, from the anti-gay hate group Alliance Defending Freedom, keeps pushing his case further and further. Finally, after refusing to decide whether or not to take his case ten times, the Supreme Court with its newest member, Neil Gorsuch, agreed last week to hear it.
"I believe the Bible clearly teaches marriage is between one man and one woman," Phillips told the co-hosts on "The View."
"I'm not judging these two gay men who came in. I'm just trying to preserve my right as an artist to decide which artistic endeavors I'm going to do and which ones I'm not."
That may sound OK, but Phillips and his attorney are under the mistaken belief that his baking a wedding cake for a same-sex couple is tantamount to endorsing their wedding, which it's not. And when someone owns a business, they are licensed by the state, and obligated to follow the state's laws.
"If it violates your religious freedom to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple," co-host Jedediah Bila asked, "do you then, when straight couples come in, ask them if they've had a child out of wedlock for example, if they participate in pre-marital sex, because where do you draw the line then?"
"I don't judge people when they come in."
Some would disagree.
Waggoner has repeatedly misrepresented the case and consequences against Barronelle Stutzman, often saying that the Washington florist stands to lose everything, including her home, business, and life savings, because she refused to do the flowers for a same-sex couple's wedding. In reality, the court tried several times to settle with Stutzman, first allowing her to pay just $2000, then later lowering that to $1000, if she agreed to stop discriminating.
Thanks to Waggoner, she has refused. The Alliance Defending Freedom did a great job promoting Stutzman's case, and fundraising off it.
In April, Waggoner told ABC News, "There is no evidence that those who identify as gay or lesbian have been denied service," despite representing clients who have denied people who identify as gay or lesbian service.
On "The View," Waggoner did it again.
She first claimed there are other "artists" who are "facing jail time" for refusing to serve same-sex couples. No one has been jailed for refusing to serve same-sex couples, although Phoenix law does allow at the extreme a six-month jail sentence, which has never been imposed.
And referring to Stutzman, again, Waggoner claimed "she'll lose everything she has," which is so incredibly inaccurate. She didn't bother to mention the courts have tried to settle with her already.
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