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The Future Of LGBT Rights Under Donald Trump And Mike Pence

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Here’s How The Incoming Administration Could Erode Our Gains

On Wednesday, the National Organization for Marriage’s Brian Brown issued a money-beg exulting in the election of Donald Trump. NOM is a moribund, money-grubbing organization well beyond its sell date, but with Trump’s election, bigots have claimed a new relevance.Â

As Brown told his supporters: “This is a bright and exciting time for NOM, and we are committed to taking full advantage of the opportunity we have. Our voice and our views matter to the incoming administration, and that means your voice and views matter.”

Brown has even outlined “The Plan” by which he hopes Trump will erode LGBT rights in the United States.

First, he says, Trump will nominate conservative justices to the Supreme Court, who “will inevitably reverse the anti-constitutional ruling of the Supreme Court imposing same-sex ‘marriage’ on the nation in the Obergefell decision.”

Then, Brown says, Trump will “rescind the illegal, over-reaching executive orders and directives issued by President Obama, including his dangerous ‘gender identity’ directives, attempting to redefine gender just as he sought to redefine marriage.”

He also claims that Trump will “reverse policies of the Obama administration that seek to coerce other countries into accepting same-sex ‘marriage’ as a condition of receiving U.S. assistance and aid.”

Finally, Brown says: “We will work with President Trump and Congress to pass the First Amendment Defense Act (FADA), which Mr. Trump supports. FADA is critical legislation to protect people who believe in marriage from being targeted by the government for persecution.”

How likely is it that NOM’s plan for the Trump administration will be implemented?

Alas, there is every reason to think that Trump, and the basket of deplorables he is sure to name to his government, will indeed attempt to erode the advances LGBT people have made under President Barack Obama, and they are likely to succeed in a number of initiatives.

The Supreme Court and Marriage Equality

During the campaign, Trump repeatedly said that he would choose his Supreme Court nominees from a list submitted to him by the hate group Family Research Council and the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think-tank. He also said that his ideal nominee would be someone similar to the late anti-gay Justice Antonin Scalia.

Luckily, a Supreme Court nominee must be confirmed by the U.S. Senate. Even with Republicans in control of the Senate, it is unlikely that the most extreme nominees favored by the Family Research Council and the Heritage Foundation would be confirmed. Democrats are likely to filibuster a nominee who is clearly unfit or far out of the mainstream of contemporary jurisprudence.

Nevertheless, it is likely that Trump will be able to tilt the Supreme Court rightward.

But even if Trump is able to fill more than one vacancy on the Supreme Court — the Scalia vacancy, plus others that may arise — it is unlikely that the high court would be willing to revisit the marriage issue. Once a constitutional right has been declared, it is difficult to rescind.

Not only would the doctrine of stare decisis (or precedent) discourage the reconsideration of Obergefell, but the fact that the court’s ruling in Obergefell is popular with the American people would also militate against its summary reversal.

However, a more conservative Supreme Court could well issue rulings that limit the breadth of Justice Anthony Kennedy’s “jurisprudence of dignity,” so beautifully articulated in Obergefell. Our marriage rights may well be trimmed by a Supreme Court that grants more deference to states’ rights or religious exemptions.

And one consequence of that trimming would be a continued and prolonged fight over an issue that should be settled law.

But as Evan Wolfson, the founder of Freedom to Marry and the father of the marriage equality movement, has stated: “The freedom to marry is the law of the land — and no one will take that away from us.”

He added: “Those who have gotten married, and those who get married, will remain married, and no one will set them asunder. … There is no action the incoming administration could take, even if they wanted to, that would undo the thousands of marriages lawfully celebrated in all 50 states.”Â

Justice Department

As far as the courts are concerned, the great danger posed by the new administration is, in addition to the slew of conservative district and appellate appointments to the bench that Trump will make, the role that will be played by his Justice Department.

During his first two years in office, Obama allowed his Justice Department to defend the constitutionality of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell and the Defense of Marriage Act in federal court. However, on Feb. 23, 2011, Attorney General Eric Holder announced a reversal of the department’s position, one that had major consequences for LGBT rights.

Holder said that on instructions from the president, the Justice Department would no longer assert the constitutionality of DOMA in court. He said that, while the feds would continue to enforce DOMA until it was repealed by Congress or invalidated by the Supreme Court, the department would not defend it as constitutional.

Holder declared that “the President has concluded that given a number of factors, including a documented history of discrimination, classifications based on sexual orientation should be subject to a more heightened standard of scrutiny,” and that under that level of scrutiny the DOMA statute is unconstitutional. The president, Holder said, “has instructed the Department not to defend the [DOMA] statute.”

With this reversal, the President placed the Justice Department in the service of equal rights, including equal marriage rights. The Department’s intervention on behalf of equal rights was a significant factor in winning both Windsor (which invalidated DOMA) and Obergefell (which mandated marriage equality).

In the Trump administration, however, the Justice Department will be employed not to advance equal rights, but to defend “religious liberty,” the code name for a license to discriminate against LGBT people in the name of religion.

The Justice Department is currently a party to several cases involving discrimination against transgender students and LGBT employees, arguing on behalf of LGBT plaintiffs. One can expect the Trump administration’s Justice Department to change sides in the pending cases.

In future cases involving LGBT rights, Trump’s Justice Department is likely to intervene not on the side of plaintiffs seeking justice, but on the side of those who believe they have a constitutional right to discriminate.

Executive Orders and Regulations

Obama has issued a number of executive orders that further LGBT rights, including one that prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity by federal contractors.

In addition, a number of federal departments, including the Department of Defense, the Department of Health and Human Services, the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, have issued similar nondiscrimination regulations covering the provision of services.

The Department of Education has issued anti-bullying regulations and also guidance concerning the treatment of transgender students.

The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), the federal agency charged with enforcing federal laws that make it illegal to discriminate against employees and job applicants, has determined that Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity. This interpretation is currently binding on all federal agencies and departments and governs EEOC enforcement and litigation activities throughout the country. Although courts are not bound by the EEOC’s interpretations, they often give deference to them.

The EEOC has recently announced that sexual orientation and gender identity is a strategic enforcement priority for the agency. It has mounted an aggressive program of litigation on behalf of LGBT people who have experienced employment discrimination.

Executive orders and regulations can easily be reversed, and it is likely that the Trump administration will reverse at least some of the current protections LGBT citizens enjoy. Depending upon the zealotry of particular appointees, many pro-LGBT regulations may be revised at the agency or departmental level.

Most vulnerable are the executive order prohibiting discrimination by federal contractors, the Department of Education’s guidance concerning the treatment of transgender students, and the EEOC’s contention that sexual orientation discrimination is prohibited by Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

In May, the House of Representatives passed a Defense Appropriation bill that if ratified by the Senate and signed by the President would allow government contractors to discriminate against LGBT workers on religious grounds, thereby overturning Obama’s executive order. Obama has vowed to veto the bill should it reach his desk.

If the Senate or Obama rebuffs the initiative by the House of Representatives, Trump may simply rescind the executive order prohibiting discrimination by federal contractors.

During the campaign, Vice President-elect Mike Pence stated repeatedly that Trump would replace the education department’s guidance concerning the rights of transgender students with “common sense” regulations that would allow local school districts to set their own policies.

The current guidance, however, is the subject of several pending court battles. In October, the Supreme Court agreed to accept one of these cases, Grimm v. Gloucester County School Board, and may issue a definitive ruling on the issue in June 2017. That ruling may turn out to be a broad one that upholds the rights of transgender students or it could be a more limited one based on deference to the guidance offered by federal agencies.Â

The EEOC’s interpretation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is also before several courts.

Most of the courts that have ruled on the issue have agreed that “gender identity” is covered by the prohibition of discrimination on the basis of “sex” in the Civil Rights Act. But they have split on whether “sexual orientation” is covered, though that interpretation has gained traction recently.

Trump is likely to appoint EEOC commissioners who will reverse the current interpretation, but if the courts adopt it, the EEOC will be bound by it.

State Department Activism

A hallmark of the Obama administration’s foreign policy has been support for LGBT rights. As Secretary of State Hillary Clinton declared at the United Nations in 2011, under Obama official U.S. policy is that, “Gay rights are human rights.”

Obama’s ambassadors, including but not limited to his seven openly gay appointees, have participated in Pride parades, promoted equal rights and denounced bigotry.

In 2015, Secretary of State John Kerry announced the appointment of Randy Berry as the Special Envoy for the Human Rights of LGBT Persons, a position created in order “to move towards a world free from violence and discrimination against LGBT persons.”

Kerry remarked that: “Defending and promoting the human rights of LGBT persons is at the core of our commitment to advancing human rights globally — the heart and conscience of our diplomacy. That’s why we’re working to overturn laws that criminalize consensual same-sex conduct in countries around the world. It’s why we’re building our capacity to respond rapidly to violence against LGBT persons, and it’s why we’re working with governments, civil society, and the private sector through the Global Equality Fund to support programs advancing the human rights of LGBT persons worldwide.”

On Sept. 20, 2016, in his final address to the United Nations, Obama called for a world-wide end to anti-LGBT discrimination.

It is unlikely that Trump’s State Department will defend LGBT rights so passionately, particularly considering Trump’s admiration for President Vladimir Putin’s Russia.

Passage of FADA

During the campaign, Trump unequivocally endorsed FADA, a bill that would license discrimination against LGBT individuals in the name of religion.

Because the current version of the bill was amended to protect both those in favor of as well as those opposed to same-sex marriage, many of the bill’s anti-gay supporters have dropped their endorsements. It is not clear what version of the bill Trump supports.

It is probable that the House of Representatives could pass FADA or another “religious liberty” bill that would license discrimination in the name of religion, but it is less clear that the Senate would do so.

Anti-gay legislation is more difficult for the Senate to pass because Democrats hold enough seats to mount a successful filibuster. In addition, there are a handful of Republican senators who will oppose blatant bigotry.

Moreover, state “religious liberty” bills have either been declared invalid by courts or have provoked so great an outcry from businesses and citizens that they have been amended so as to lessen their potential to authorize discrimination.

In 2015, when he was governor of Indiana, Pence created a national furor when he signed into law a “Religious Freedom Restoration Act” that licensed discrimination against LGBT people. Only after protests and threats from businesses to relocate from Indiana did he sign an amendment that diluted the bill’s power to discriminate.

Mississippi’s “religious liberty” bill was passed, but was declared unconstitutional before it went into effect. Mississippi has appealed the court ruling that declared the bill unconstitutional to the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

Conclusion

Trump secured the support of the religious right by agreeing to their demands for anti-gay Supreme Court nominees and anti-gay legislation. He has pandered to them on many occasions, and they expect to be rewarded for their support.

Most ominously, he has chosen a vice president with a long and ugly record of bigotry — a fervent cultural warrior whose anti-gay positions have included opposition to “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” repeal, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), the Matthew Shepard-James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Act, and both civil unions and marriage for same-sex couples.

Trump’s choice to lead his domestic policy transition team, Family Research Council senior fellow Ken Blackwell, has an equally long and ugly record of anti-gay activism. We can expect that Pence and Blackwell will prioritize anti-LGBT policies and legislation.

What we need to remember, however, is that the policies embraced by Pence and Blackwell are deeply unpopular with the American people. We must also remember that Trump has no mandate to erode LGBT rights.

Not only did he not receive a plurality of the popular vote in the election, but during the campaign he conspicuously refrained from demonizing LGBT people in a campaign characterized by ethnic and racial slurs, misogyny and the mocking of the disabled. He even waved a rainbow flag at one of his rallies to indicate (unconvincingly) his dubious support for us.

The four years of the Trump presidency is likely to be similar to the eight years of the President George W. Bush regime, which was in some ways a long nightmare in which LGBT people were attacked and scapegoated. The difference is that we are now much stronger as a movement than we were then.

Public opinion about LGBT rights has significantly changed, and we are now in a much better position to resist homophobic policies than we were during the Bush years.

Luckily, many of our most successful advocacy groups, including Lambda Legal, the Human Rights Campaign, GLAAD and the ACLU, have assured us that they are prepared to defend LGBT rights. As HRC president Chad Griffin has noted: “The defeats we have suffered tonight demonstrate that our future victories will require us to dig deeper and work harder to continue bending the moral arc of the universe toward justice and equality. We must fight to protect our progress, and to limit the damage that Donald Trump has promised.”

In an eloquent editorial, New Civil Rights Movement Publisher David Badash emphasized that Trump’s victory “was the result of a brilliant con man, a liar, a fraud, a misogynist, a fascistic bully, activating the remains of a changing society: people who see their last grasp — and gasp — of power that was handed to them as their birthright in a nation whose election of a Black president has not done enough to absolve its original sin, slavery, slipping away.”

He pledges that “in the wake of one of the most devastating elections in U.S. history, we here at NCRM rededicate ourselves to our mission of fighting for civil rights, for LGBT people, for women, for immigrants, for minorities. And for unmasking and exposing the hate and hypocrisy that always leads to harm for the most vulnerable in society.”

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New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan, after becoming visibly angered by Trump defense witness Robert Costello, cleared the courtroom of the jury and the press before admonishing the “MAGA-friendly lawyer” Monday afternoon in the ex-president’s criminal “hush money” trial.

Calling it a “brawl,” The Daily Beast set the scene: “After Costello, a former prosecutor, was reprimanded for delivering outbursts in the court whenever he was interrupted or told not to answer a question that had been objected to and sustained, Costello began to stare down the judge.”

Before the reprimand, CNN’s Kaitlan Collins reported: “Twice now the judge has sustained an objection and Costello answered regardless. Judge Merchan addresses him directly to not answer if he’s sustained the objection. ‘Jesus,’ Costello mutters after it happens again. ‘I’m sorry,’ the judge, visibly annoyed, says to him. ‘I’m sorry?'”

And then, the admonition.

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“I’d like to discuss proper decorum in the courtroom,” Judge Merchan said, according to Collins. “If you don’t like my ruling, you don’t give me side eye and you don’t roll your eyes.”

Collins added: “Then in a raised voice, Merchan asks, ‘Are you staring me down right now?!'”

“The jury was NOT in the room for this,” Collins added. “Merchan sent them out, then admonished Costello, then when he was staring him down, Merchan became furious and cleared the courtroom. So the jury witnesses none of this. (And the press missed whatever was said in the interim.)”

Here’s how it went down, according to MSNBC host and legal contributor Katie Phang.

“Judge Merchan is ANGRY,” she observed, before reporting the dialogue:

“MERCHAN: ‘I’d like to discuss proper decorum in my courtroom’
MERCHAN: ‘If you don’t like my ruling, you don’t say ‘Jeez’ ‘
MERCHAN: You don’t say ‘strike it’ because I’m the only one who can strike it.
MERCHAN: ‘You don’t give me side eye and you don’t roll your eyes’
COSTELLO: I understand.”

Phang added, “When the media were allowed back in, Costello is seated at the witness stand looking decidedly chastened. Merchan looks calm.”

The Guardian’s Hugo Lowell reports the judge didn’t calmly just clear the courtroom:

MSNBC legal contributor Lisa Rubin called it, “one of the wildest things I’ve ever seen in court.”

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And while CNN’s Collins noted the jury was not in the courtroom for exchange, Phang reports: “Although the dressing down of Costello took place outside of earshot of the jury, they witnessed firsthand Costello’s demeanor and petulance and heard firsthand his quips and remarks from the witness stand. Perhaps Costello just reinforced to the jury why Cohen didn’t want to keep Costello as his lawyer…Costello is pandering for an audience of one: Trump.”

MSNBC legal analyst Kristy Greenberg noted, “Michael Cohen was respectful. Bob Costello is acting like a clown. Jurors will notice and this will hurt Trump. Any concerns that jurors may have had about Cohen have now been overshadowed by Costello’s disrespect to the judge right in front of their faces.”

Lowell also reported after that the reprimand, “Costello is so red in the face he resembles a strawberry.”

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Law ‘Requires’ Alito and Thomas to Recuse Says Former Federal Prosecutor

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U.S. Supreme Court Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas have no choice but to observe federal law and recuse themselves from cases involving the 2020 presidential election, according to an attorney who served as a federal prosecutor for 30 years, while a noted constitutional law expert is warning Justice Alito “may be responsible for delaying” the Court’s decision on Donald Trump’s claims of absolute immunity.

Their remarks come as Americans are waiting for the U.S. Supreme Court to issue its decision on Donald Trump’s claim of absolute and total immunity from prosecution.

“The Supreme Court, as led by insurrection advocates Alito & Thomas, has caught & killed Trump’s prosecution for trying to overturn the 2020 election. The impartiality of Thomas & Alito ‘might reasonably be questioned’ so the federal law REQUIRES their recusal. Period. Full stop,” wrote Glenn Kirschner, now an NBC News/MSNBC legal analyst.

Kirschner posted text from federal law, 28 U.S.C. Sec. 455, which reads: “Any justice, judge, or magistrate judge of the United States shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.”

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The renewed interest in both far-right justices comes after Friday’s New York Times bombshell report that revealed a symbol of January 6 insurrectionists, the “Stop the Steal” flag, which is the U.S. Stars and Stripes flying upside down, was flown at Justice Alito’s home just days before President Joe Biden was inaugurated.

Justice Alito claimed his wife was responsible for flying the American flag in that manner, which is also used to indicate a situation of dire or extreme distress. He claimed she had done so after an altercation with a neighbor, who had a “F*** Trump” sign on their lawn that could be seen by children awaiting the school bus. But those claims seemed to fall apart after sleuths noted because of COVID schools were operating virtually, so there were no school buses running, and neighbors did not remember what allegedly was extreme neighborhood drama.

On Friday, Laurence Tribe, University Professor Emeritus at Harvard University, a constitutional law scholar and professor who has argued three dozen times before the Supreme Court, told CNN (video below) he believes Justice Alito must recuse.

“I do. I don’t think there’s any question about it. It’s in many ways, more serious than what we’ve seen with Justice Thomas. At least Justice Thomas could say that, ‘my wife Ginny has her own separate career. We don’t talk about the cases.’ You may believe that or you may not, but that’s very different from what’s going on with Justice Alito. He’s not saying, ‘My wife has her own separate career.’ He’s throwing her under the bus and blaming her for what is on his house, his flagpole. It’s his flag malfunction. It’s his upside down flag and everyone knows that the upside down the flag, which the United States Code says should be flown that way only in cases of absolute emergency as a kind of SOS, was in this case, a symbol of the claim that the election was stolen from Donald Trump.”

“It was the banner of the insurrectionists,” Tribe continued. “And I’m reminded of something that the late Justice Scalia said in the opinion he wrote in 1987, he said, ‘you cannot expect to ride with the cops if you cheer for the robbers.’ In this case, Justice Alito expects to preside over a decision about whether there wasn’t it direction and who was responsible for it. And whether Donald Trump who has been charged with involvement in trying to obstruct the operations of government and the transfer of power is immune, or if cases before the court, he’s obviously not qualified to sit in this case.”

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Like Kirschner, Tribe pointed to 28 U.S.C. Sec. 455, saying, “28 US Code section 455 says that any federal judge or justice must – not may, but must – recuse him or herself in any case where either that justice or the justice’s spouse has any skin in the game. There’s no distance here between Mr. Alito and Mrs. Alito. It’s clear that whatever offensive sign was involved, that dispute between neighbors trivializes what’s involved here.”

On the Supreme Court’s pending decision on Trump’s immunity claims, Tribe added, Justice Alito “may be responsible for delaying it.”

“After all, the protocol within the court is the different justices dissenting and Alito is probably writing a dissent from a rejection of the extreme claim of absolute immunity. That didn’t seem to gain traction with the court. If a justice is dissenting, you wait till the dissent is done before announcing the case. So by delaying this immunity decision so long that a trial can’t occur before the election, the effect may be to give de facto immunity to the former president, who if he wins the election will pick an attorney general who will dismiss the case. So ultimate accountability is very much on the line.”

As for Justice Thomas, back in March of 2022, The New Yorker‘s Jane Mayer wrote: “Legal Scholars Are Shocked By Ginni Thomas’s ‘Stop the Steal’ Texts,” which also read: “Several experts say that Thomas’s husband, the Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, must recuse himself from any case related to the 2020 election.”

And in June of 2022, former Bush 43 chief White House ethics lawyer Richard Painter, also posting that federal law, wrote: “Justice Thomas’s participation in Dobbs means Ginni Thomas was not receiving payment from persons seeking reverse of Roe. Right?”

He was referring to the Supreme Court’s Dobbs decision, coincidentally written by Justice Alito, which overturned five decades of civil rights law and removed abortion as a constitutionally-protected right.

“We have no idea who’s paying Ginni Thomas,” he continued, referring to Clarence Thomas’s spouse, who also alleged worked to overturn the 2020 election. “Justice Thomas refuses to recuse from any cases because of her. This conflict of interest is unworkable.”

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Donald Trump will have more than a dozen allies, including an elected Republican state attorney general and several House Republicans at the Manhattan Criminal Courts Building on Monday, in likely the largest show of support yet for the indicted ex-president facing 34 felony charges related to his alleged effort to subvert the election by falsifying business records related to his “hush money” payments to two women.

At least four GOP members of the House, which is not back in session until Tuesday, are expected to show at the courthouse, and an even larger number, at least nine, Trump allies are also expected to attend – likely to deliver speeches before the cameras.

The list, according to NewsNation’s Libbey Dean, includes South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson, an election denier who had supported overturning the 2020 presidential election and signed onto what has been called a “false and frivolous” lawsuit attempting to overturn the results. Wilson also was chair of the Republican Attorneys General Association in 2020 when the organization “sent a robocall encouraging ‘patriots’ to march on the Capitol and demand Congress overturn the election results,” the Associated Press reported in January 2021. He denied knowledge of the robocall project and five days after the January 2021 insurrection conceded Joe Biden had won the presidency.

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Other elected officials  attending Trump’s trial Monday are Republican U.S. Reps. Eric Burlison, Andrew Clyde, Mary Miller, and Keith Self.

Also attending are John Coale from the Trump-aligned America First Policy Institute, attorney Alan Dershowitz, Trump attorney and GOP attorney general candidate Will Scharf, convicted felon and Trump pardon recipient Bernie Kerik, Trump loyalist and former Trump administration official Kash Patel, and others.

Senate Republicans who spoke with CNN’s Manu Raju (video below) made clear they will not be dropping support for the indicted and embattled ex-president any time soon.

Trump’s trial, which last week had been on schedule to end this week, will now extend into next week with closing arguments beginning Tuesday, the day after Memorial Day.

U.S. Senator Steve Daines (R-MT) told CNN’s Raju, he “wouldn’t be surprised” if Trump is convicted, while echoing, almost verbatim, Trump’s talking points.

“I mean, that’s probably going to happen, but that’s going to get, most likely, thrown out. These charges, frankly, talk about election interference, that’s what’s going on right now in that New York courtroom.”

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Senator James Lankford (R-OK), whose bipartisan border bill was killed by Trump, would only offer this to CNN: “I want to be able to have people that are role models and leaders and all those things as well.”

“For me, the policy issues are going to matter significantly,” he added, suggesting support for Trump.

Senate Republican Minority Whip John Thune of South Dakota was asked if he will continue to support Trump if he is convicted.

“We’ll see how the trial comes out. I’m not weighing in on that.”

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