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Republican Presidential Candidate and Governor John Kasich Admits He Really Doesn’t Understand LGBT Civil Rights

Governor John Kasich said he doesn’t know if people are born gay, and finally concluded, “probably,” when asked by a 62-year-old man, Kelly Bryan, while answering questions at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco, California. The Republican presidential candidate who’s currently third in the polls displayed his troubling grasp of LGBT issues and civil rights, lunching into a seven-minute response – and at times an angry diatribe – on Friday.

“I’m a 62-year-old gay man who came out to both of my parents at 19,” Bryan told Kasich, NBC News reports. “And I’ve been gay for 45, over 40 years. Gay people are human beings and not a ‘lifestyle choice.’ Please respond without prayer being an answer.”

Kaisich said, “We’d all be better off in this country if we prayed more,” launched into a speech about his religious beliefs, had a back-and-forth with Bryan about LGBT civil rights, and ended the discussion saying, “God bless you.”

“In terms of me, I don’t believe in discrimination, I think there is a balance, however, between discrimination and people’s religious liberties,” Kasich insisted.

Asked by Bryan again if he believes people are born gay, Kasich responded, “I’m not gonna get into all the analysis of this or that, I’m not gonna do that.”

“Do I think that people are, are, you know, born gay? Probably. I’ve never studied the issue. But I don’t see any reason to hurt you or to discriminate you or make you feel bad or make you feel like a second class citizen.” 

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“You know, sir, probably. I mean, I don’t, I don’t know how it all works, okay? I mean, look. Are they? You know, probability they are. Okay?,” a frustrated and agitated Kasich concluded.

“Without mentioning it by name,” Raw Story’s Arturo Garcia reports, “Kasich did suggest a lack of support for anti-trans legislation like North Carolina’s HB2.”

“I don’t believe in discrimination,” Kasich insisted during the discussion. “I think there is a balance, however, between discrimination and people’s religious liberties. But I think we should just try to, like, take a chill pill, relax, and try to get along with one another a little bit better instead of trying to write some law to solve a problem that doesn’t frankly exist in big enough numbers to justify more lawmaking.”

The Ohio governor said he thinks same-sex couples should “go find another photographer” if the one they’ve chosen refuses them, based on their religious beliefs. But he also says wedding cake bakers should just “sell you a cake,” regardless of their religious beliefs.

The Ohio Republican also took a swipe at the religious right, saying just because someone says they’re religious doesn’t mean they really are.

“Sometimes people, people say that they’re religious, okay?,” Kasich told his questioner. “Just because I say that I’m a Ford Falcon doesn’t make me one. Don’t you understand what that means? Just because I say I’m faithful doesn’t mean that I am. Just because I make a statement. And don’t put everybody who you think, you know, has religion and believes in God, don’t put everybody in the same barrel.”

Bryan later told NBC News he thinks Kasich is  an “awful candidate.”

“I simply wanted it to be answered that gay people are born gay and that it is not a lifestyle or chosen because why would anyone choose to be gay?” he asked of NBC News. “He had to cop to saying, gay people are, his word, ‘probably are born that way’ and that was probably the winningiest point and that was my first question.”

Many on both sides of the aisle believe Kasich is a moderate when it comes to social issues, including same-sex marriage, but his history on civil rights is troubling at best.

While Democrats like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have “evolved” on marriage equality, today Kasich admits he still opposes it, but often notes he’s attended a “gay wedding” and today would not try to stop same-sex couples from marrying.

But just as recently as 2010, Kasich said he supports a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex couples from marrying, something none of the current Democratic candidates have. And he’s voted to ban gay people from adopting children.

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Image: Screenshot via Commonwealth Club/YouTube
Hat tip: Raw Story

 

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Trump Considered Selling Puerto Rico: Ex-DHS Chief

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President Donald Trump’s former acting Secretary of Homeland Security says the leader of the free world considered selling Puerto Rico.

Elaine Duke, who describes herself as a lifelong Republican, spoke with The New York Times in a “wide-ranging interview” about her 14 months working for Trump.

“Among her most searing moments during the response to the hurricanes came when she heard Mr. Trump raise the possibility of ‘divesting’ or ‘selling’ Puerto Rico as the island struggled to recover,” the newspaper reported.

“Can we outsource the electricity? Can we can we sell the island? You know, or divest of that asset?” Trump reportedly asked.

Puerto Rico is an American territory, the island’s three million people are American citizens. The territory’s government estimates that 2,975 Americans were killed by the hurricane.

Duke also said she was not ready to support Trump’s re-election.

“That’s a really hard question,” she said. “But given the choices, I don’t know yet.”

Read the full report.

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10 Hate Groups Got Millions in COVID-19 Government Loans Intended for Small Businesses

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Several groups listed as hate groups by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) got millions in government-backed Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) loans, money intended for businesses with 10 or fewer employees that have been harmed by the ongoing COVID-19 epidemic.

The groups include the anti-Muslim organization The Center for Security Policy; the two anti-immigrant groups, the Center for Immigration Studies and the Federation for American Immigration Reform; and three rabidly anti-LGBTQ groups, the American Family Association (AFA), Liberty Counsel and the Pacific Justice Institute (PJI).

According to the SPLC, all three groups regularly fight against LGBTQ civil rights. The PJI has said gay marriage would lead to legalized polygamy and incest, LGBT History Month in schools promotes gay pornography, and compared gay marriage to Nazism.

Spokespeople for the Liberty Counsel have called homosexuality immoral, unnatural, and self-destructive; called same-sex marriage “destructive to individuals and … our very social fabric,” has said gay marriage would lead to a “rampant increase in diseases,” and have called LGBTQ rights a “direct assault on our religious freedom and freedom of speech.” The group is currently suing a Connecticut school board in order to ban transgender students from participating in high school sports.

The  Liberty Counsel received somewhere between $350,000 and $1 million from the PPP program, and the Pacific Justice Institute received between $150,000 and $350,000.

The AFA has called transgender people sexual predators and child molesters, declared homosexuality as hazardous to one’s health, said Islam is a religion of intolerance and war, and claimed that gay men were responsible for “Adolph Hitler… the Brown Shirts, the Nazi war machine and six million dead Jews.”

“Many of these groups that traffic in hate are already well-resourced, with a constant injection of funding from far-right mega-donors and dark money foundations,” Imraan Siddiqi, executive director of the Arizona branch of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), said to the Center for Media and Democracy.

“This just highlights more cases of vital funding getting into the hands of those who didn’t need it, while many small businesses in our communities came up empty and are having to fold,” Siddiqi added.

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Facebook & Instagram Ban All Content Promoting So-Called “Ex-Gay” Conversion Therapy

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On Friday, Facebook and Instagram announced a ban on all videos, images, and written content promoting so-called “ex-gay” conversion therapy or reparative therapy, a widely disavowed and debunked form of psychological torture that purports to change someone’s sexual orientation or gender identity.

The social media giant which owns both platforms said that the ban was merely an expansion of its policies banning hate speech and a progression of its pre-existing ban on conversion therapy ads.

“We don’t allow attacks against people based on sexual orientation or gender identity and are updating our policies to ban the promotion of conversion therapy services,” said Tara Hopkins, Instagram’s public policy director for Africa, Europe and the Middle East, although the ban will apply to the U.S., South America and Australia as well.

Although Twitter and Vimeo both have bans on similar content, it’s unclear whether YouTube does as well. The Google-owned video-sharing platform came under fire in June 2018 for running conversion therapy ads before videos made by LGBTQ content creators. At the time, the platform said it didn’t allow ads that promote hatred or illegal services, but that could feasibly allow such ads to continue running in the 30 states where the practice remains legal.

Religious conservatives have previously fought bans on the practice as violations of their constitutionally protected rights to “free speech” and “religious freedom.” Proponents say that people should have the right to rid themselves of “same-sex attraction” and “gender confusion.”

However, the actual methods of ex-gay therapy have never been proven to actually change anyone’s sexual orientation or gender identity. Such programs often tell clients to avoid masturbation, to exercise to exhaustion, to view queerness as physically disgusting or threatening to one’s health, or to “reframe” one’s desire onto opposite-sex partners. Other practitioners have used electroshock therapy, molestation, sexual assault, forced medication, or strict gender-typed dress and grooming codes to try and change people.

A 2013 survey said 84 percent of former ex-gay therapy clients still feel lasting shame and emotional harm from undergoing such “therapies.” Numerous conversion therapy advocates later come out as still gay, admitting that it doesn’t work and apologizing for ruining lives while lying to people about its effectiveness.

Most Americans oppose conversion therapy and almost every major American psychological, health and pediatric association does as well. In the past, the U.S. Supreme Court has refused to hear cases challenging the constitutionality of conversion therapy bans as violations against religious freedom, but it remains unclear whether the court will continue to refuse such cases now that it has a more conservative majority.

While the bans are helpful, some states still allow the harmful practice to be marketed towards adults or to everyone under the guise of “religious counseling.” Even states that ban the practice still allow abusive “teen discipline” work camps where parents send their queer and “troubled” youth to be “straightened out.”

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