On Saturday, Maggie Gallagher, former Chair of NOM, the National Organization For Marriage, appeared onMSNBC’s new “Up With Chris Hayes” on Saturday and tossed out several lies that many bloggers and activists were very quick to jump all over. In this video, released actually via NOM (they title it, amusingly, “Maggie Gallagher Debates Entire MSNBC Panel,”) Gallagher says, falsely, “I have not done any of those things!” when questioned about her advocacy of ex-gay therapy, among other issues.
Much of the debate, logically, focused on Gallagher’s claim that her goal is to protect and preserve marriage, yet, as the panel grilled her repeatedly, she has done little to stop divorce. They wonder why she’s going after same-sex marriage, as do we all.
Richard Kim, Executive Editor of The Nation, had a lot to say and really took Gallagher down. On his site, they say there was “a heated debate in which Kim confronts conservative columnist Maggie Gallagher, formerly of the National Organization for Marriage, about her support for gay reparative therapy and for her comments pathologizing homosexuality as a dysfunction. In the segment, Gallagher denies those charges, saying, ‘I have not done any of those things!’”
Scott Wooledge At Daily Kos offers this transcript and commentary:
The sparks really fly when Richard Kim, executive editor of TheNation.com, gets a chance to address Gallagher. He begins by saying:
Kim: I think you and your organization have really failed to present any evidence that same-sex marriage impacts heterosexual marriages. You also however have advocated for gay reparative therapy, as has the National Organization for Marriage, you have called homosexuality a “dysfunction” and not normal…Gallagher is really quite angry at this accusation.
Gallagher: No! I have not! I have not!I have not done any of those things!
Kim: So it’s hard to escape the conclusion that there is just antigay animus and bogotry behind your campaign.Gallagher is full of righteous indignation at the lies, the damn dirty lies!!!
Gallagher: You know you are making up—well, you can make up any conclusions you want. But you have just made up a bunch of facts that aren’t true.Chris Hayes steps in:
Hayes: Clarify, I am sorry, please clarify.
Gallagher: Well, I’ve never advocated for gay reparative therapy, and the National Organization for Marriage does not. We focus on fighting for laws that define marriage as the union between a man and a woman.
Unfortunately for Maggie, the proof that National Organization for Marriage is a fan of gay reparative therapy still lives on the The Ruth Institute blog, described as a “A Project of the National Organization for Marriage.” It features an interview with a “therapist” Phillip Sutton, PhD who is affiliated with the notorious National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH). You know, the clinic affiliated with George Rekkers, who was later caught with a rent boy? They canned him for that.
Jeremy Hooper at Good As You, who is one of the top NOM exposers, writes, “pay special attention around the 9 min. mark where Maggie denies she has any pro-”ex-gay” views, even though we know that to be a flat-out lie.”
Hooper adds this:
Maggie’s “ex-gay” advocacy: Maggie has called homosexuality an “unfortunate thing,” “at a minimum, a sexual dysfunction much as impotence or infertility,” and “a sexual disability preventing certain individuals from participating in the normal reproductive patterns of the human species.” She has also suggested that gays “can always control their behavior,” and even called on a sitting President to give more funding to scientifically-shunned “ex-gay” research.
Also, NOM president Brian Brown recently touted a (flawed) “ex-gay” study, saying “Even those who disagree with us about gay marriage (or Christian sexual ethics) should feel good about this this scientific verification of the possibility of free will triumphing over desire. We are all more than our instincts, sexual or otherwise” [SOURCE]. NOM’s Culture Director, Thomas Peters, has advocated for Courage, a Catholic “change” organization. Peters has also said that the MSM intentionally denies that “change happens.”
Jennifer Roback Morse, head of NOM’s affiliate Ruth Institute recently went into a long explanation about how Catholics like herself don’t “accept the category of gayness,” basically saying that we are all just men and women who are meant to be heterosexual, regardless of our “attractions.”
Damian Goddard, the man who is working with Maggie on her recently launched “Marriage Anti-Defamation” project, also advocated for “Courage,” the organization geared towards helping LGBT Catholics “change.”
Oh, and whoever runs the NOM Facebook page (presumably someone at Opus Fidelis, the Catholic firm NOM hired for social media outreach) recently “liked” a comment in which a supporter touted the “formerly gay people that realized the wrong in it and felt the same emptiness and changed.“
Equality Matters adds:
Kim, of course, was entirely accurate in his depiction of Gallagher and NOM’s anti-gay animus. Hereturned later in the show to quote a TownHall.com article Gallagher wrote in 2001 in which she called homosexuality a “sexual dysfunction” and called for federal research dollars to support “ex-gay” therapy. NOM president Brian Brown also recently celebrated a study on the effectiveness of “ex-gay” therapy, calling it “good news.”
Hat-tip to Towleroad.
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