“How can you espouse genuine equality if you don’t allow gay people the same rights to get married as straight people?,” Morgan asked.
Warren claimed that he believes in equality, but admitted he cannot support same-sex marriage because, he said, “I don’t get to change what God says.”
Warren sidestepped Morgan’s citation that everything in the Bible is no longer in effect, including stoning someone who looks upon one with lust.
The Saddleback Church founder was a firm and ugly supporter of his home state’s anti-gay Prop 8. Last year, in discussing with Piers Morgan a video he had recorded in 2008 urging his members to vote against the legislation banning same-sex marriage, he claimed he never thought the video was anything but private. Warren then liked same-sex marriage to arsenic and to punching a guy in the nose.
But last night, Warren decided that his real issue with same-sex marriage is semantics.
“I’m more against the redefinition of the term marriage than anything else.”
And then came Warren’s real semantic argument.
“I don’t think other groups get the opportunity to redefine a term. For instance, if a Muslim says this is a term we use and all of the sudden I take that term and mean it for me. Well, that’s not right,” the pastor stated.
“Don’t take a term and and make it something different. Orwell talked about doublespeak, where words mean the exact opposite of what they used to mean.”
So, same-sex marriage to Pastor Rick Warren means “the exact opposite” of opposite-sex marriage.
Warren also falsely claimed that marriage comes from the Bible. Unpacking that for a moment, the Bible has existed for less than 2000 years, while marriage in many forms has existed for far longer.
Warren also claimed that historically, people around the world agree that marriage is the union of one man and one woman. In reality — and biblically — marriage historically has been the union of one man and as many women as he could afford.
The Saddleback Church founder’s work has extended into areas like Uganda. Only once has he publicly expressed disagreement with that country’s “Kill The Gays” bill, and only after extreme pressure to do so.
Warren also exposed his real anti-gay bias and white male privilege hypocrisy when discussing tolerance.
“Tolerance used to mean we treat each other with mutual respect even if you have major disagreements. Today tolerance has been changed to mean all ideas are equally valid. Well, that’s nonsense. All ideas are not equally valid.”
What ideas does Warren think are not “equally valid”? Same-sex marriage, certainly, is one.
But these who might worry that Warren will soften his views or come to embrace marriage equality should fear not. “I fear the disapproval of God more than I fear your disapproval or the disapproval of society.”
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