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Gay Marriage, Abortion Aren’t Problems. Child Homelessness, Poverty Are.

by David Badash on March 25, 2011

in Analysis,Bigotry Watch,Civil Rights,Economics,families,Healthcare,Legislation,Marriage,News,Politics,Religion

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Throughout the year in the United States, an estimated two million children will be homeless, over three million will be living without either of their parents. 40% of homeless youth are LGBTQ. At least half a million U.S. children live in foster homes. States that offer marriage equality also have the lowest rates of child homelessness.

Republicans and social conservatives — including the Tea Party — spent the better part of the past year railing against President Obama’s fiscal and social policies, and crowing about “jobs, jobs jobs!” Perhaps rightly so, as the Congress last year did little directly to create jobs programs. But at least they didn’t pretend they were.

In the run up to the 2010 election, the Republican mantra was “jobs, jobs jobs!,” and Republican and Tea Party candidates and incumbents all promised the American people once they were in charge they would focus solely on “jobs, jobs jobs!” They used the term “jobs-killing” as an adjective attached to anything-Obama more times than Sarah Palin has Facebook friends.

Yet, here we are, almost one-quarter of the way through 2011, and the GOP has passed not a single bill that will create a single job. Not one. Instead, Republicans at the local, state, and federal level have spent their time focused on making it as difficult as possible for a woman to get an abortion or any reproductive health services, they have focused on union-busting, making creationism the law of the land in schools, ending federal coverage for low-income child immunizations, taking families who go on strike off food stamps, defunding “Obamacare,” defunding NPR, defunding Planned Parenthood, supporting DOMA in court, voting to take away rights of LGBT public employees and their spouses, voting to ban same-sex marriages, and killing the EPA.

Read: “The GOP’s War On Women And Children

The past seven days must have held considerable angst for social conservatives, religious leaders, and the politicians who pander to these extremists. Polls and studies have rolled in, finding great majorities and pluralities supporting marriage equality and the repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), even among conservatives. Even among Catholics and Christians and Protestants. Even among almost every single demographic group in the country.

Old, young, white, non-white, college-educated, high school educated, men, women, northern, eastern, southern, western, you name it — the American people have spoken and they have said not only do they want the government to repeal DOMA, but they want the government to allow same-sex marriage, and to stop addressing social issues and focus on jobs. And they want their religious leaders out of their bedrooms, doctor’s offices, pharmacies, and classrooms.

(What is also staggering is the vast disparity between what the American people in general actually want, and what their political representatives and religious leaders are actually doing.)

Here, at The New Civil Rights Movement, we posted the news about the Vatican’s speech to the United Nations this week, during which the Holy See bemoaned what it classifies as the “vilification” of people who speak out against same-sex marriage. Interestingly, this prompted a rather curious debate in the comments section, fueled by one conservative and several regular readers.

Some of the comments from the anti-marriage equality conservative were about “traditional marriage” creating “socially licensed male/female homes,” and another curious one about marriage: “A marriage license equates children like a fishing license equates fish. The requirements for a fishing license doesn’t require you to catch fish, but people who apply for one hope to catch fish. Most people who get married hope to have children.”

You can imagine what followed.

When I started to jump in to defend my position, it dawned on me, much as it dawned on me earlier in the week when I decried our bombing Libya, in a tweet, “Great. Shock and awe in #Libya. America again steps in. Where are the jobs, Mr. Gaddafi?,” what the hell are we doing?

My point is simply this.

Much like the overwhelmed employee who is so far in over his head he doesn’t know what part of his job to do first, America is playing whack-a-mole — and losing, badly, I might add — in her job of caring for her people, and making their lives, and the world, better.

And so, the time has come to say this: Don’t talk to me about the “evils” of what conservatives call “gay marriage,” or the “evils” of abortion, until you have solved the problems of child homelessness, child hunger, child poverty, education, and jobs.

Republicans are now doing everything they can to constrict a woman’s right to abortion and reproductive services. What do they think will happen to all those unwanted children? They’re not thinking, but you and I know many of these children will end up unwanted, and become wards of the state, at an increased cost to taxpayers.

How is it that the same people in Congress who want to end abortion are the same people who want to take away food stamps, education, and health care from children? Does the so-called “sanctity of life” only exist in the womb? Could there be anything less responsible that this?

Call it GOP logic. Make it your sole goal to cut taxes and end abortion and see what you get.

Nevermind the increased costs of human suffering that goes along with all this. Never mind that it’s just plain wrong.

Add to this lunacy the conservative’s desire to end the teaching of evolution, and substitute “creationism,” as well as reduce spending, by the billions, on children’s education, and what will we have in a decade? In two decades?

A lot more unwanted children, poor, sick, and ignorant.

Who is forced to care for unwanted poor, sick, and ignorant children?

The taxpayers.

And what do Republicans want to do? Cut taxes.

Do you see where we’re going here?

Now, on top of all this illogical, inhumane stupidity, the GOP, the Tea Party, and social conservatives want to stop same-sex couples from marrying, and adopting children.

Why?

Because homosexuality, according to them, is “evil,” unnatural,” and against the will of God. (Bull, but this is their “thinking.”)

I’m pretty certain those same Bible-thumpers who are against same-sex couples marrying and raising children are the same ones who are all for cutting taxes, reducing the amount of money spent on schools, education, unionized teaching professionals, healthcare, and so on, and so on, and so on.

(Now, back to all those polls. Just a reminder: The majority of Americans, no matter how you slice it, want DOMA dead and same-sex couples to be able to marry. Sadly, no one’s been able to get politicians to understand what the American people want.)

So, let me recap.

There’s a group of people in America who’s life’s mission is to:

  • Cut taxes
  • Cut government spending on healthcare
  • Cut government spending on education
  • Cut government spending on the arts
  • Cut government spending on news and information services
  • Stop the government from regulating pollution-causing industries
  • Stop the government from reacting to climate change
  • Stop the government from regulating food, toys, business in general
  • Teach creationism
  • Teach abstinence-only sex education
  • End abortion
  • End teenagers’ access to contraception
  • Stop same-sex couples from marrying
  • Stop same-sex couples from adopting

And I’m sure a great many more things.

What will we get from all this?

Sadly, many unwanted children, who will not be immunized, who will not receive proper health care, who will not be properly fed, who will not be properly educated, who will end up having more sick, un-educated, and unwanted children of their own, all of whom will not be cared for at all because the state won’t pay for them because Republicans want to cut taxes.

And yet, we have loving, willing, desperately-wanting same-sex couples ready and able to raise children, create families, and get married.

See my point?

Conservatives talk about the “fact” that children must be raised in a family headed by a mother and a father. Well, first of all that’s not necessarily true.

Two long-term studies recently published found just the opposite. In fact, one of them, a twenty-five year-long and vigorously peer-reviewed study published in the journal Pediatrics, found that adopted children raised by lesbian parents are better-adjusted and do better in school than their opposite-parented peers. Add to this the fact that we now have, “a study of gay dads that finds they are more likely than straight ones to focus on parenting over career, at least when their children are young.”

Children deserve to to be raised in a loving home by adults who can teach and raise them well, provide for their material, social, educational, and emotional needs and development. Whatever that looks like, I know that as a stipulation it far exceeds what possibly a majority of children face today.

Now, look at these clips from recent news stories:

Four years ago, 1 in 10 Americans struggled with hunger. A year later, it rose to 1 in 8. Today, it’s 1 in 6. That’s 50 million Americans, including 17 million children — and contrary to popular opinion, only 10 percent of these people are homeless.”

Families with children make up 47 percent of the homeless population in the Dallas metropolitan area.”

Almost 50 million Americans are without health insurance– 3 million more than a year ago, according to a report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.  The report finds one in five people were uninsured during some portion of the last 12 months.

Nearly two-thirds of all the inmates interviewed on Feb. 25 said they dropped out of high school before they graduated, and fewer than half of those dropouts have a diploma or a GED.”

Evangelicals are the only major religious group where a majority opposes the federal government’s efforts to reduce childhood obesity, a Pew Research Center survey shows.”

Over 20 percent of children live in poverty, and over 36 percent of the extremely poor are children. Also, over half of the children in this country under age 6 who live in a household where there’s a single mom are poor.”

Air Pollution as an Emerging Global Risk Factor for Stroke

Air Pollution Called Health Peril. Linked To Cancer, Other Diseases.”

(Oh that last one? It’s from 1962, the year I was born. I guess we haven’t learned much in 49 years.)

Even if conservatives succeed at denying same-sex couples the right to marry (don’t worry, they won’t!) same-sex couples are still going to be raising children, forming families, and living our lives. And there’s nothing those anti-marriage equality social conservatives can do about it.

But the fact remains. There’s a new war in America. I don’t mean Libya. Right here at home, the Republican war on women and children, on gays, lesbians, bisexual and transgender people, on minorities, on Muslims… the list goes on. So does the evil of the GOP. Until we vote them out of office and make damn sure, in the mean time, they know they can’t get away with their social agenda of hate any longer.

Republicans are waging war on the wrong targets. The LGBTQ community, women, and children aren’t the enemy, they’re the solution.

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{ 45 comments }

@katzmandu March 25, 2011 at 11:29 am

This is applicable at the local/state and federal levels; I've been ranting to my state senator for years that she needs to focus on things like poverty and pollution and not working to hate gays. Here's another note that I wrote to them that states your sentiments, which I think a lot of people share:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/jonathan-katz/i-se

Angela March 25, 2011 at 11:37 am

Let me get this clear…. Everyone on this page is for EQUALITY, yet support the destruction of human life at its very existance! No one will ever get full equality if LIFE isn't protected at ALL stages. This has NOTHING to do with beliefs in faith, or being a bible-thumper. It has 100% to do with GENOCIDE. Abortion happens every 22 seconds in the US and is a genocide to the HUMAN RACE. This is VERY dicouraging considering all of you who want EQUAL rights for marriage and other issues that get overlooked by the government. This is a HUGE issue! Birth control YES, ripping little humans into peices, NO! Visit http://www.AbortionNO.org to see what I am talking about! Once everyone in the world can achieve TOLERANCE and COMPASSION for every living being, THEN we won't need to argue about gay marriage or abortion anymore, cause there won't be a need to do so. EVERYONE will be accepted for whom they are, even at the most vulnerable time of life: IN THE WOMB! LOVE PEOPLE, LOVE CONQUERS ALL!

Brian Gryphon March 25, 2011 at 12:33 pm

Your viewpoint of the issue has EVERYTHING "to with beliefs". In a nutshell- at what point does a collection of cells become a human being? I am not saying I have the answer; but it is your belief as to what is the answer to that question that determines your opinion on abortion.

Norm March 25, 2011 at 6:01 pm

nope-just a clump of cells
youre ignorant-outlawing abortion will not ensure gay equality-thats absurd-opposition to gay equality is rooted in religion which is used to brainwash the young-fortunately religion dies
Stay out of our wombs-none of your business-this is settled law

Angela March 25, 2011 at 6:47 pm

It became a law under the privacy amendment 3 years before the ultrasound was invented!!! But when people see that it is NOT just a clump of cells, and that it is a human, then pre-born humans will also be protected by law. EQUALTIY for everyone… that covers ALL humans. Look at the pictures of the aborted clump of cells" at http://www.abortionNo.org and THEN tell me that they are "clumps of cells…" Those clumps of cells have fingers, toes, and a beating heart at 18 days. I didn't know that tumpors and clumps of cell tissues had heartbeats!!! That is an ignorant statement… When you look at this web site, then let me know what you opinion is about the "cell clump".

Angela March 25, 2011 at 7:06 pm

**tumors, and EQUALITY excuse my spelling error

Brian Gryphon March 25, 2011 at 7:37 pm

While there is legislation in effect, it's clearly not "settled law". Whether or not it should be is a valid argument to make.

While I agree that the OPs view that 'if only the world stopped hating everyone, including (in her opinion) all unborn children then hatred against gay people would stop' may be seen as naive, unrealistic, impractical and unlikely given human history, that does not make her "ignorant".

Finally, the image of a post apparently from a male addressed to an apparently female poster telling her to stay out of his womb seems silly.

Brian Gryphon March 25, 2011 at 12:31 pm

I have for some time used the term "fundamentalism" to describe the beliefs of the rabid right that sees the entire universe as a series of either/or, black/white, them/us, saved/heathen situations. Sadly, after reading your summary I am beginning to think the more accurate term is "feudalism".

Angela March 25, 2011 at 12:55 pm

At the very moment of fertilization, a GENETIC, UNIQUE human is created. PERIOD. That is a scientific fact, not a belief. Only a human and a human can make a human, and nothing else… Therefore, all life should be protected at all stages.

Brian Gryphon March 25, 2011 at 1:11 pm

You say "all life should be protected at all stages" so I guess you are against euthanizing sick animals, that you don't eat any organic material (you don't qualify it as only human life, or even only animal life) and that you are against the death penalty.

guest April 11, 2011 at 12:23 am

"All life should be protected at all stages". Do you mean ALL LIFE or just human life. Given the problems humans have with caring for the very planet that gives them and all other life the ability to exist at all, I would think you would mean the later rather than the former, yes?

Angela March 25, 2011 at 1:03 pm

PS- I loathe any organised religion… I was raised catholic, and cannot believe that such religions exist. I follow NO man or his law of what is right. I stand for equality, compassion, love, and tolerance… Catholicism is such a horrible religion. Everything in history was based on converting, or being killed for not doing so. HOW was this ok!? And still today it is happening. Just 2 months ago, I read a news article of the pope telling the church in Ireland not to report any more sexual molestation cases to the authorities, that they would "handle it." Are you kidding me!!?? And then they want to "excommunicate" the priest that fell in love and married a beautiful woman in Miami. GOOD FOR HIM to follow his heart! Screw religion. THAT is how I feel about it!

Angela March 25, 2011 at 6:00 pm

David, human life deserves to be protected at all times. I don't claim conservative or liberal blah blah blah… I guess I'd be considered a liberal conservative if any name had to be given. I believe that allowing gay adoption would play a HUGE role in less abortion, as well as NOT cutting essential programs like WIC. Europe pays a huge amount of money into taxes, like 55%… But they get free everything, and Public assistance is a good thing there. I am NOT saying, lets do that, but sometimes, public programs are a good thing. There needs to be budget cuts for non-essential programs, and I know there are PLENTY of those out there. EDUCATION is the main thing that needs to be taught. DISEASES (more than pregnancy) needs to be feared and treated with caution. Sexual responsibility in general is the biggest problem.

guest April 11, 2011 at 12:39 am

I do believe many who are in jail today at one time found themselves in a dysfunctional/abusive environment or from fragmented homes and a society who does alot of lip service but provides little support for people like these.
This nation proclaims to be the "richest nation in the world" but 25% of children in it are facing chronic hunger and out of that percentage, how many are homeless? churches provide superficial support, society even less. God appears absent from this even though the bible expends much effort on the poverity, which is a topic that makes many in this nation focus on persecuting gays and abortion seekers.
I don't think this culture has the guts to face its deficiencies in these areas because these problems persists for generations without tangible efforts to address them. It makes many notions held as sacred by this nation to be little more than a joke.

Angela March 25, 2011 at 6:00 pm

Birth control is NOT 100%… Believe me! My son was conceived while I was on the pill, as well as 3 of my other friends. There is a movie site that focuses strictly on the lucrative business of abortion: http://www.bloodmoneyfilm.com The thing that former abortionists state is that defective condoms and low dose birth control were PURPOSEFULLY given so that abortions could be scheduled since they have a certain minimum requirement and goal that the clinic sets. THAT IS SICK!

Also, check out former Planned Parenthood manager, Abbey Johnson… She was a manager at PP for 8 years and changed her view on abortion when she witnessed an ultrasound abortion performed. She wrote a book. Just some food for thought. The day that the world has compassion for each other, the day that all this crap stops!

josh March 30, 2011 at 10:37 pm

Angela, what about the 46,000 people who die every year due to lack of health insurance? That is a MUCH bigger problem if you ask me.

David Badash March 26, 2011 at 12:28 am

Pity how the entire point of this piece, that there are millions of unwanted, homeless, poor, hungry, uneducated, and unloved children in this country went unnoticed.

Let's solve THAT problem first.

mbc March 28, 2011 at 8:24 pm

Thank you for reminding everyone how successfully Angela diverted attention away from American children in need of real change in their lives, to abortion and abstinence. We're too easily sidetracked by people who wish to avoid the subject at hand.

Angela April 2, 2011 at 2:37 am

It is NOT just an American problem, let's start there and recognize that it is a WORLD wide problem. South America and Canada are America too, so if you are trying to be technical, you failed in doing so. The United States is far better off than many other countries. The idea that EVERYONE needs healthcare should be standard and available to everyone, but abortion is NOT healthcare. AND I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT ABSTINANCE!!! I probably have more sex than most of you, so that would NEVER come out of my mouth! I said SEXUAL RESPONSIBILITY… that means, if a woman doesn't want to have children, she needs to do something about it. There are many men who want the children, but since it is a woman's body, he has no say so. That is not fair either. EDUCATION is lacking world wide and if humans wanted to end the cultural and social problems of the world, then EVERYONE would have access to education (AND compassion). There… can I make it any more clear!? Simply allowing women to kill their children does nothing to better any economy. It just makes for depression and regret.

Brian Gryphon April 2, 2011 at 7:43 am

The first line of the article says "Throughout the year in the United States, an estimated two million children will be homeless". Without denying hunger and homelessness are serious problems in other countries, I would suggest that as the person who first posted off-topic, you are not in a position to admonish anyone else – especially when they are actually on-topic.

While you may not have mentioned 'abstinence' comments posted in this thread are often in response to all the anti-abortion arguments being made. It's not all about you. And I find it interesting that you say "since it is a woman's body, he has no say" at the same time you argue that she has no say about the difficult decision to possibly abort a fetus.

Finally, long sentences filled with emotion (typing in ALL CAPS is generally considered to be the typed version of SCREAMING) make it difficult for readers to suss out rational discussion.

Angela April 2, 2011 at 11:07 am

Well, I am sorry if you think I am screaming. I was doing it more as stressing the words I find important. And I know that the title says "…in the United States…" but as long as people only focus on the US, it won't get any better since it is a world wide problem. In the US, anyone lacking resources can get food stamps. In other countries, they are not so lucky. Homelessness is an issue with education (I know from a friend who stayed in a shelter for a while), because they (children) cannot go to school without a firm address. THIS needs to be addressed by lawmakers. Exceptions need to be made so these kids can also get an education and have the same right that everyone gets to go to school. That is a US issue…

The part about it being a woman's body… it is a woman's body until another growing human being enters it. Then it becomes 2 bodies. And no one should take the right of that innocent human away.

Angela March 26, 2011 at 10:21 am

No, David… Let's solve it TOGETHER… I said that education IS the main problem. But also the compassion. If you have a community of people that only care about themselves and do nothing to contribute to the children, then it is just as much their fault as any other person to blame. When the well-being of everyone becomes a top priority, then education, compassion, homelessness and hunger will begin to be eliminated. When was the last time you donated to a family that was in need? I routinely give to Haiti and Honduras. Not that I send it there and it sits, but I give it to my mother in law who visits Honduras and takes pictures of all the children and all the things that are given away. They drove buses to Honduras that they bought for 1500 a piece and went with a medical brigade of volunteers to help the children. In Haiti, one of my friends is from there and he is doing his own documentary and video tapes all of the things that were donated so that we can see the children and how happy they are.

Angela March 26, 2011 at 10:21 am

This is a world wide issue. I despise when I hear, 'oh, the US comes first…' Sorry, but I recognize the human race as all people. Everyone in the US came from somewhere, we are all habitants of prior countries, unless of course, one is a native indian. There are programs in the US, but people do not always know how to access them. So many are not as fortunate in other less developed countries. So yes, CONQUER all the issues at once, and society will have a change of heart.

vote DEM March 28, 2011 at 8:48 pm

republicans will protect you until you're born. after that, you're on your own.

Angela April 2, 2011 at 2:41 am

Who the hell said anything about republicans!? There is very little I like about the politics in play… Here is a quote that best describes my ideas: "The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'poly', meaning 'many', and the word 'ticks', meaning 'blood sucking parasites'." ~Larry Hardiman

lee March 30, 2011 at 6:26 pm

Ok here is my solutions. I am conservative. I don't want universal healthcare. I do want abortions to be allowed till three months into pregnancy. After that the only way to terminate is if causes a danger to the mom. I want gays and lesbians to have their rights. I also want my right to follow my beliefs and not have them hindered by the government. One of my beliefs is that marriage is between a man and a woman. Call it garriage and i won't say a word. I'll join you in support of garriage. The word marriage means something to me. tell me i'm wrong. I'll be back

garriage? March 30, 2011 at 7:58 pm

Marriage means something to me, too. It means you have 50/50 chance of getting divorced. Would "garried" people have a different word for divorce, too?

Brian Gryphon March 31, 2011 at 10:24 am

You are not wrong that 'marriage' means something to you. You are incorrect to suggest that is sufficient reason to force your definition of 'marriage' on me and others.

Provide scientific, peer-reviewed, relevant studies that show how marriages between people of the same gender causes significant harm to your relationship, your rights, your family, your ability to earn income, and then there is something to talk about. Otherwise, your statement that you want "gays and lesbians to have their rights" is a naked, empty platitude.

Brian Gryphon March 31, 2011 at 11:40 am

As a follow-up- how do your proposals (not having the universal healthcare we don't have, a time limit on abortions, etc) provide any solution to the actual subject of the post- the huge number of homeless LGBT youth?

Brian Gryphon March 31, 2011 at 11:42 am

(that should be "the huge number of homeless youth")

Jordan Krueger March 31, 2011 at 2:06 pm

I appreciate your willingness to engage in reasoned discussion on this topic. Thank you.

Nonetheless, marriage means something to me, too. It means the loving union that my parents had, and my grandparents, and the loving union that all my heterosexual friends have entered into. It represents the lifetime bond of two people.

I don't want a "garriage." I don't want a "civil union." Those things don't represent the loving bond of two people. They represent contracts, or something lessor, not as full, not as whole.

To me, the bottom line is that I shouldn't have to change MY definition of marriage to fit what you want. I am an American. I pay taxes. I have lived here all my life, and been a productive member of society. I don't understand why my loving union, is any less important, or right, or correct than yours, and why I should be forced to relabel my union, just so you can feel more comfortable.

Brian Stroup March 31, 2011 at 5:50 pm

Let me try to put this into terms a conservative can understand: gun ownership.

One of my beliefs is that guns are bad. I live in a country that recognizes the right of all citizens to own a gun. I still believe guns are bad. I follow my belief by not owning a gun. The fact that my government allows others to own guns does not invalidate my belief that guns are bad. No government agent has every tried to coerce me into buying a gun. I have friends who are avid gun collectors, and I am happy for them when they get a new gun or have a great day at the range. At the end of the day, gun control laws have no direct effect on my life. I believe the world would be a better place without guns, but I acknowledge that I do not have the right to force others to give up their guns just to satisfy my belief. I also recognize that toy guns, which can be painted to look just like real guns, are not the same as real guns, and wouldn't expect anyone to accept that ownership of a toy gun fulfills their right to gun ownership.

Each of us has the right to follow our own beliefs. None of us has the right to force others to follow our beliefs.

Angela April 2, 2011 at 2:52 am

Lee, that is the problem with abortion!!! 90% are done in the first 3 months! The point is: either they are HUMAN or they are not. It should NEVER be a matter of convenience! It is a simple human rights issue of life being the very first right! And a mother doesn't know about health issues until the child is 20 weeks or more, and that is viable. There have been many people told by doctors that the child has problems, and many of the ones who deliver find out there is nothing wrong with the baby. Human or not human. Every human deserves personhood. I look like the bad guy and I am DEFENDING life! Social issues after… life comes first!

Brian Gryphon April 2, 2011 at 7:53 am

You are correct; either a human fetus is the same as a living person or it's not…. but to suggest that the answer to that is both obvious and decided is, at best, naive. Seeing how passionate you are on the topic I can't believe that you are not aware of how divided people are.

And certainly you should appreciate that having someone YELL their personal opinion tends to make people defensive. Is your intent here to engage in dialogue or continue to tell us all how wrong we are?

Clearly, the idea that a human fetus deserves the same (or stronger) protection than a living person is a "social issue".

Angela April 2, 2011 at 11:09 am

Again, I am sorry that you found me "yelling"… I was stressing and in no way mean it by screaming!

Kimber May 9, 2011 at 5:52 pm

Actually you have your statistics flipped… 88% of all abortions occur in the first 12 weeks (AKA the first trimester). See the pie chart about half way down this page:
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortio

Jay G. April 18, 2011 at 5:14 am

If straight couples can be "married," but gay couples must be "garried," (or civil unions, etc) then that's still discrimination; period. Requiring a second term for a second group of humans is STILL "Separate but equal." In this continuing civil rights battle that point needs more emphasis.

Joseph Ayo March 31, 2011 at 10:00 am

I find this interesting is that it was republicans that took Dont Ask, Dont Tell to court and got it ruled unconstitutional.

Pro-abortion is playing right into the most successful supression plan of the black race because blacks are 11% of the population of the United States, however they get 70% of the abortions. Thanks to abortion, the black population is actually "shrinking" in the United States.

GOP has been distancing itself from the religious right. The Log Cabin Republicans have been gaining ground in a major way with the GOP. Almost every tea party meeting I have been to, we keep hearing the same theme over and over. The tea partiers welcome blacks and gays and keep harping on "Its about the economy stupid, abolish the social/religious issues!" The tea party is agressively pushing for the government to get OFF the gay marriage issues and focus solely on keeping the United States "solvent".

Brian Gryphon March 31, 2011 at 11:36 am

"I find this interesting is that it was republicans that took Dont Ask, Dont Tell to court and got it ruled unconstitutional" – there have been a number of lawsuits filed; not sure that they all were sponsored by republicans. The lead team against Prop 8 in fact makes a point of the 'bi-partisan' nature of the lead team.

Joseph Ayo March 31, 2011 at 10:21 am

I am a log cabin republican btw, however we are trying to "restore" the institution of "gay marriage". Ancient historians can point out that gay marriage was "legal" and "done" in the days before the "dark ages". Gay marriage was done in ancient Greece, Eqypt, and in Rome. 15 Roman Emperors married other men. The Emporer Nero – the emperor that was in control of Roman Empire when Jesus was alive, married another man! Why did Jesus not make more of an issue of this when the leader of the controlling Roman Army was married to another man and the two most common denominations of coins in everyone's pockets during Jesus's day, depicted pictures of male on male anal and oral sex?

Brian Gryphon March 31, 2011 at 11:44 am

Aside from arguing the ability to prove such statements, suggesting that Jesus approved (or did not care, or cared but 'not enough') still makes it a religious argument to justify or deny my civil rights.

Jerry March 31, 2011 at 1:48 pm

I am gay and i appreciate what you are saying. Honestly I like the idea of garriage. it shouldn't matter what we call it, but Lee believes that marriage is between a man and a woman. I have to be willing to accept his beliefs as well.

Angela April 2, 2011 at 11:07 am

I have said this before, and it is worth repeating again:
My right to carry and use a gun ends when it comes in contact with another innocent human being. "Rights" that infringe on another's most basic rights is no right at all. It is a dictatorship, and I thought we all were against that.

KMB May 9, 2011 at 5:38 pm

Except that "second body" cannot survive outside the first. It is therefore a parasite until about 35 weeks.

Brian Gryphon April 2, 2011 at 11:16 am

I repeat- every argument you make seems to assume that we all agree that a fetus is equivalent to a live human being… and clearly that is not a settled issue.

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