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  • Top Vatican Official: Parents Must Not 'Expose' Children To 'Aggressive Homosexual Agenda'

    The number two man, second only to the Pope, instructs parents to not let their children have any contact with gay people who engage in "evil, wrong," and "disordered" relationships.

    Raymond Burke is the former Archbishop of St. Louis. He now serves as the Vatican's number two man, the Cardinal Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura. 

    The very anti-gay, anti-women, American website LifeSiteNews went to Rome and interviewed Cardinal Burke. When asked about gay family members, Burke had a great deal to say.

    Same-sex relationship are, Burke said, "intrinsically disordered," so, he pondered, "what would it mean to grandchildren to have present at a family gathering a family member who is living [in] a disordered relationship with another person?”

    Burke adds that the issue of children being in the company of gay people is "made even more delicate by the aggressiveness of the homosexual agenda."

    He did not explain his comments, but answering his own question, the Cardinal said, "if it were another kind of relationship — something that was profoundly disordered and harmful — we wouldn't expose our children to that relationship, to the direct experience of it. And neither should we do it in the context of a family member who not only suffers from same-sex attraction, but who has chosen to live out that attraction, to act upon it, committing acts which are always and everywhere wrong, evil."

    The Cardinal goes on to claim that "we know" same-sex relationships and marriages make people "profoundly unhappy."

    He adds that gay relationships "scandalize" and should not be "imposed on family members, especially impressionable children."

    So much for "who am I to judge?"



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    Hat tip: Jeremy Hooper at Good As You

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    • commented 2015-09-10 20:14:28 -0400
      So, children should not be allowed to go to Catholic or Baptist church?

    • commented 2014-10-15 00:25:59 -0400
      All of the findings of fact in our federal courts, and then only after ruthless examination of the issue by the rules of evidence proves the exact opposite of what the RCC is saying. Since the 9th Circuit opinion on, just as Ted Olson argued to Tony Perkins last Sunday, the federal courts have uniformly found as fact that children brought up by same sex couples are as well adjusted and as achieving as those from male-female parents, and in some cases better. Come Off Your Tired Old Ethics, you people.

    • commented 2014-10-14 02:24:52 -0400
      Alan Yost. Not being silly.

      The tough part of having learned about the sex life of a priest is the questions that end up stirring inside of believers, which deals with them having a valid justification for their belief in a system even as it is broken.

      My stories are true. Not meant to be sensational. In fact, the priests that I have met over the years also told me not be silly. As in, just shut my eyes, my mouth and keep my opinions to myself. For the most part I shut it. But, I get tired of people having this “idealistic” outlook of priests and pretending to be so shocked that priests are people. The priests I know and have talked to on a local level are pretty chill. They help street people. They help gays and straight people. They help transgendered people. Etc. They are good people and have done a lot for the community to strengthen their religious ties. Many priests are very loving and compassionate but can have the same issues as any other person.

      People are people.

      I’m just fond of people that are more candid, honest, loving, non judgmental and forwith concerning their life story.

      Priests have a story. Some darker than others. We can only hope we all get through this life unscathed. More good priests and more good people will hopefully stop the cycles of abuse and quit covering it up in the church.

      What’s your take Alan?

    • commented 2014-10-13 17:11:45 -0400
      Cardinal Burke is the highest Judge in the Catholic Church outside of Pope Francis. That being said, he is, by no means, the second in command of the Church. Yes, he is a high-up official, but he’s stuck in a dead end position. Look to the Secretary of State, or the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith if you want the second in command of Rome.

    • commented 2014-10-13 00:09:04 -0400
      He is not a Vatican official. He is a washed out old leftover cardinal who doesn’t like Pope Francis and wants to stir up trouble. Ignore him. I am liberal but I dislike it when liberal columns act like Fox News.

    • commented 2014-10-12 21:38:37 -0400
      I’m very happy with my same-sex relationship thank you very much Mr. Vatican official. Oh guess what, I’m very happy with my relationship to God too and my church! (yea, that stings doesn’t it) May the power of Christ compel you to see the error of your twisted thoughts! If I have to go to hell to be happy in this life, then so be it. I’d rather live happily in this life where I’ll remember it then to live unhappily and have my soul condemned anyway if that’s the way you’d view it. So how about you shut your unholy trap and let the Pope do the talking. In the mean time, lets discuss your racial issues that you most likely had during the time where non-whites had their legal struggles. I’d love to see how well that’d play out for your hypocritical thoughts.

    • commented 2014-10-12 14:09:37 -0400
      Such Hypocrisy – out of a Commitment to continue a conversation which is destructive and generates negative results, time and time again. When will these Fools learn they have a choice in their chosen religious doctrines, to be helpful in the world or to continue to destroy the world?

    • commented 2014-10-11 22:36:34 -0400
      I think your last comment draws a totally false conclusion since Burke is a notorious conservative, doesn’t remotely present Francis or his views, and is apparently headed out the door: http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/09/pope_francis_reportedly_demoting_raymond_burke_controversial_stl_archbishop.php

    • commented 2014-10-11 21:33:40 -0400
      Oh, please., Mulder. Don’t be silly.

    • commented 2014-10-11 21:28:06 -0400
      I have met high paid hustlers that have been to the vatican in Italy etc. to spend time with Archbishops and Archdiosces. They love their sex a lot! The dirtier the better and that is why they share this perspective of sex. Because they are the ones breaking the rules. These priests need to stop giving advice which is derived from a life of – being told they cannot have sex – but they do. Being told they must portray an image of purity – they do – but the amount of gay/straight sex they have with all of their free time and church money is daily/nightly. Being told to keep quiet about their boyfriends, hookers, hustlers, and women with their babies – and they are quiet about it – which is a slap on the wrist and justifies why they continue their sexcapades. Being told to keep their hands to themselves – and they don’t – in or out of the church. I met people that spoke to priests in the church and the priest began to play pornography on the tv – in the church! I met guys that met priests in dark rooms (sex rooms at gay bars). I met guys that stayed with priests overnight in the church housing and the priest preached anti gay sermons the next morning. I met priests that have no trouble talking about sleeping with men or women. I tell them that I don’t get it. They chuckle and carry on?!

      It goes on and on. All priests and all church powers no exactly what’s happening but think the congregration is not ready for gay/straight priests that have an avid sex life.

      Imagine. So, while one third is gay priests with an avid sex life. Another third is straight priests that have an avid sex life. Another third is child molesters , which is listed on a site on the internet – 1000s that are not even jailed necessarily.

      Are there any priests without an agenda for somekind of sex life?

    • commented 2014-10-11 13:51:10 -0400
      Seriously…go to hell Cardinal Burke.

    • commented 2014-10-11 13:49:58 -0400
      and people wonder why I turned away from the Catholic Church…this is only reason #5 of 200.

    • commented 2014-10-11 06:02:15 -0400
      Children get more exposure from priests , I am always amazed to here it straight from the horses mouth!

    • commented 2014-10-11 05:10:12 -0400
      And another thing. The “ifs” in my last post should be “ofs”. I get so flustered about the perfect priest stuff.

      If anybody needs a play by play of the 100s of stories of priests that say one thing and do another…..just ask a priest you think is a little loose under the collar.

      Around here the gay priests get together in church basements to celebrate the love for each other!
      And the next day they are preaching about how God hates gays.

      I have asked…how do you do it?
      Or. Don’t you realize gay and straight people “suffer” sexually by virtue that the priest “suffers” sexually and denies/represses others from the very thing they are told not to do….have sex.

      Hence…the more repressed the individual the more they thought of sex, wanted sex and the more they sought sex. The priests I met were at bath house (gay or straight) on a nightly and daily basis with churches money!

      So, I would ask. Assumed they felt guilt. Nope. The loved the “freedom” to run around with anyone anywhere to have on the church’s expense.

      Happened all of the time they said.
      Who’s gonna believe it they said.

      And they always had their own “poster priest” who had no clue to talk to the press if pushed came to shove when lowly old citizens complained.

      Welcome to the bottom of the barrel.

      Money shapes us all. Power can result in unfortunate matters in the hands of the people who claim to have “God’s divine touch”.

    • commented 2014-10-11 04:40:07 -0400
      Okay. A priest who gives himself to God “suffers” when he has sexual feelings in conflict with his position.
      There in lies the perspective. A priest’s perspective of sexual desire that he is not supposed to perform is a feeling of “suffering”.
      Hey priest. Not anyone’s fault but your own that you thought you could go years without one sexual thought or action.
      Manifesting your frustration out on other “free” people through preaching healthy choice in a negative vain only convinces me more if your own need to have sex.

      And you do have sex. You have sex with people. Men or women. Time and time again I personally see “people of faith” picking up hookers etc. I know for a fact that this has been going on through my neck of the woods. I met men that brought many priests to strip bars, hookers, etc. to have fun. Gay or straight. These priests did it all. Still do it all. They had fun. What makes people angry is…..if priest continue to have men or women on the side for sex brought to them by people in their community….is the inane hypocrisy. Just shut up about your judgement of people based on their sexual backgrounds when you have your own twisted secret sexual life that you persist on pretending does not exist.
      Example: An open person tells you they are having sex and you giving them advice. And you make them feel guilty. Meanwhile, you are plotting to sleep with them, already slept with one or both if their parents, etc. I hear this generational story of sexual habits of priests again and again. I have seen this in process. I have experienced priests trying to seduce me, friends, etc. over and over again. Can you please stop this over the top “poster priest” behaviour!? It was getting old around 400 years ago.
      I met an elderly man who told me he brought priests in large groups to strip bars, baths, etc. for sex etc. in the 50s.
      I met many more church goers who partied hard with priest at gay bars in the 70s.
      Many are still church goers. And many priests are getting tired of being poster boys.
      Seriously. What century are we in?

      Stop the fake judgement stuff.

    • commented 2014-10-11 03:14:18 -0400
      Or, alternatively, we ignore this silly little man and his aggressive hateful agenda and keep inviting the kids’ much-loved Uncle Bob and his husband or lovely Auntie Sue and her wife to all our family occasions. And instead we protect our children from aggressive paedophile priests and abusive nuns… indeed, from the corrosive ‘agendas’ of mad bronze-age death cults in general.

    • commented 2014-10-11 01:52:57 -0400
      Cardinal Burke: My wife and I refuse to turn our utterly blessed, blissfully happy thirty year (religious/eleven year civil) marriage into an unhappy one because you need for us to be unhappy to fulfill some sort of sick need you have. Got news for you — our divorce rate is way lower than het marriages’ divorce rate, too. The ethereal smiles on all those newlyweds in the states where people can now marry must be driving you batty because gone are the days when you can just pontificate falsehoods in the face of, in this case, smiling happy people whose very lives make your claims a lie. It might’ve worked when we were all internalizing the shame you were dishing out but those days are long gone and people get to see for themselves that your words simply do not reflect the reality they see in the faces of their neighbors, family, and friends. Find a WayBack machine and go back to the bad old days where you belong.

    • commented 2014-10-11 00:24:26 -0400
      Basically the “good” cardinal is in opposition with the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.

    • commented 2014-10-11 00:13:06 -0400
      He is so uneducated. Let me guess the only things he knows is what he learned in the bible. The bible is evil at least in the wrong hands it is. Christians have used it put down any minority. Did you know they used the bible to justify their reasoning to keep blacks from voting in America or having any rights at all. They did the same thing to women. I am sure they did it to other groups too. Now they are doing the same to the LGBT community. What will be the next group that they will do it too. And honestly why would anyone follow an incomplete book? If you have read the bible you may have never heard of Lilith, Adam’s first wife. Yes Lilith was Adam’s first wife. Oh you never heard of her. Well there is plenty you never heard because the people who put the bible together got rid of a lot of the stories. Rant over!

    • commented 2014-10-10 19:40:59 -0400
      Me thinks the old queen “doth protest too much..”

    • commented 2014-10-10 19:34:55 -0400
      Raymond Burke was accused of pedophilia while archbishop of St. Louis, but it was hushed up; he had supported Maloney of Los Angeles, and Francis of Chicago who were known to keep pedophiles in their archbishopric palaces. Now he claims that homosexuality is a mental disorder? He argues that gay people are “unhappy”. This disordered prelate is ignorant of all the papers peer reviewed and published in major psychological journals of the American Psychiatric Association, American Psychological Association and other learned groups. To believe anyone as illiterate in the field of mental health like Burke is truly a push to restore the Dark Ages when the Roman Catholic Church tore down reality and demanded blind obedience to ignorance, silencing those who would research and investigate—from Copernicus to Galileo and for centuries before and since.

      Burke should stay in the unprovable realm of theology and stay out of the sciences of which he is illiterate.

    • commented 2014-10-10 19:32:45 -0400
      Guys, Pope Francis is the anomaly, this guy is a representative of the dying remnant of the old bigoted guard of the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church.

    • commented 2014-10-10 16:36:57 -0400
      This man is NOT second only to the pope. Furthermore, he does not speak for the pope, considering especially that the pope recently demoted him to the mainly ceremonial position of chaplain to the Order of Malta (whatever that is).

    • commented 2014-10-10 15:19:02 -0400
      the guys is disgusting …..

    • commented 2014-10-10 15:04:40 -0400
      The catholic church is disgusting. They talk about us while they quietly dismiss all the millions of donation dollars they have used to pay of parents of molested youngsters. Go look long and hard in the mirror oh great Cardinal Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura.

    • commented 2014-10-10 13:12:21 -0400
      I guess this nitwit thinks we shouldn’t be so aggressive in seeking equal rights. I’d tell him where he can go and what he can do, but I haven’t checked the commenting policies here, and I’m sure I’d violate them.

    • commented 2014-10-10 13:01:51 -0400
      I wonder if this is a parting shot at Pope Francis? Rumors have been flying since mid-September that Burke is going to be demoted to some sort of position that has something to do with Malta. The rumors are that this demotion is due in large part to his disagreement with Francis on the direction of the Church. If this actually comes to fruition, it will certainly send the conservatives a message they can’t ignore.

      If you want to read about rumors google: Burke Vatican demote

    • commented 2014-10-10 12:59:19 -0400
      Right after we turn every kid gay through propaganda and bring “an end to civilisation as we know it”. Why aren’t these relics embarrassed to flaunt their lack of education in public?

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