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UPDATE 4: This Is The Gun The Connecticut Elementary School Shooter Used

by David Badash on December 14, 2012

in News

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This is an image of a .223-caliber rifle, the type of gun the masked shooter, a 20-year old male, used in this morning’s shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. The shooting left 26 people dead, including 20 children. The school teaches 600 children ages five to ten. The image, above, is a Bushmaster .223, which reports state is the type of gun that was used in the shooting, and rifle casings reportedly were found on the scene. the type, but possibly not the brand of gun the shooter used. The brand remains unknown.

This type of gun is legal in the U.S. Reports state four  three guns were found at the school and three at the Lanza home. The other three are unknown as of now.

32 Americans are killed every day by guns. Today’s shooting is the second worst in American history.

UPDATE #1: MSNBC now states the gunman also was carrying a 9mm Glock.

UPDATE #2 7:15 PM:

“The shooter who killed at least 27 people at a Newtown, Connecticut elementary school – including 18 children – was brandishing several weapons and wearing a bullet-proof vest, witnesses told reporters,” the NY Daily News reports: A law enforcement source said three weapons were found at the scene: a Glock handgun, a SIG Sauer handgun and a .223 caliber Bushmaster rifle. [bolding ours]

UPDATE #3: Saturday 12:44 PM:

UPDATE #4: Saturday 7:00 PM:

NBC News New York reports:

The child victims “were all shot with a .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle.”


Hat tip: @nycsouthpaw

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{ 22 comments }

cdawg77 December 14, 2012 at 2:26 pm

No it's not. Two handguns, a Glock and a Sig Sauer, were used as they were recovered from the inside of the school with the man who was doing the shooting.

The .223 was found unloaded in the woods with a man police are now saying isn't connected to the shooting.

This is an extreme example of a .223, a .223 is a caliber of bullet, not a type of gun. They can look like this (extreme cases) or most usually look like this. http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/3806/cz527lux2

Check your facts, you're just looking to make guns look bad without either having the knowledge about them or willingly ignoring that knowledge in order to paint them in a bad light.

Either way, the gun did not walk into that school and kill children. The blame is on the man who used it. CT/NJ have some of the strictest gun laws in the nation (both of which forbid the purchase of the gun you have pictured). You can't say that tighter gun control would have stopped this, bad people will be able to get guns and do bad things if they want to. It is their fault, not the gun's.

David Badash December 14, 2012 at 7:08 pm
cdawg77 December 14, 2012 at 8:53 pm

Still inaccurate in the fact that it wasn't used. It was found in the trunk of the car.

David Badash December 15, 2012 at 7:01 pm

NBC News New York reports:

The child victims “were all shot with a .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle.”
(see above)

pops945 December 14, 2012 at 2:29 pm

The last thing I had heard was that the shooter was found with two handguns, a Glock and another brand that I had not heard of. I thought they said a Sitzour.

cdawg77 December 14, 2012 at 3:00 pm

Sig Sauer

David Badash December 14, 2012 at 7:08 pm
EvanHurst December 15, 2012 at 5:58 am

I really, really hate to be agreeing with the "cdawg" person, who is insanely wrong about everything else, but David, the link you provided specifically states that the gun you have pictured was in the trunk. Guess where the kids were not killed: the trunk. Now, as to what's his fuck's contention that the gun laws in CT are stringent, no. They're middle of the road as far as the US is concerned and anybody who thinks that gun control wouldn't have possibly prevented this is an idiot. Over 12,000 people are killed in the US by guns every year. In the UK it's a 2 digit number.

Ban the damn things. Americans can find their dick-substitutes elsewhere.

David Badash December 15, 2012 at 7:06 pm

I hear you, but, we sourced this info from several sources yesterday, and today the Medical Examiner corroborated what we had published.

Not all reports were consistent. Honestly, we were extremely careful yesterday. We didn't publish the Facebook photo of Ryan Lanza we research and found, despite Fox, Mediaite, HuffPo and others later having done so.

NBC News New York reports:

The child victims “were all shot with a .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle.”

(link above)

RWP421 December 14, 2012 at 3:04 pm

Absolute rubbish. .223 simply refers to the bullet that the gun fires. I have a .223 that is a bolt action hunting rifle. Also, that gun sure looks scary, but it's the mechanism that counts. The extraneous features have nothing to do with the firing mechanism. In fact, that gun is probably a semi-automatic That means that you pull the trigger once and one bullet fires. It is totally different than an automatic weapon.

dasmuggler December 14, 2012 at 3:07 pm

Let me say first I am not Republican, Conservative, nor Tea Party. I have been a follower of your site on Facebook for sometime and often share links you have published in the past. With that said this article is completely irresponsible. Mr. Badash's lack of research and more over lack of responsibility by making such blatant and over glorified article makes him and the site just as bad as the propaganda machine of Fox News. Perhaps a fact checker(s) needs to be enlisted before Mr. Badash or other writers for your site make articles such as this before posting. There are millions of gun owners in this country who have the moral maturity and mental stability to not do the horrible actions this one individual did today. His use of "32 Americans are killed every day by guns" should also be a testament that statistically there is more of a chance to be killed in a car accident than a gun. The gun did not wake up this morning and decide to do this act. The gun did not decide to choose a school. The individual did. Perhaps also you might want to make a far more reasonable stance on gun issues by arguing that there are gun control laws particularly the Brady Bill. The lack of a more detailed background check is the true needed discussion not the make and model of any particular firearm as pointed out by cdawg77. Please in the future be more factual and truthful in your postings. This has shaken my faith in your site and the caliber of your staff. Thank you

David Badash December 14, 2012 at 7:13 pm

I say this with total honesty and desire to understand:
I'm not actually sure what your upset is. That I did not qualify the annual cause of death rate of the top ten things people die from in America?

What is "completely irresponsible"?

Are you angry that we showed an image of what a .223 gun looks like?
I honestly would like to understand your upset, because I'm not seeing what the issue is.

And for the record, we were reasonably accurate in the image we used, and absolutely factual in the guns used.
Proof: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ct-schoo

Coxhere December 15, 2012 at 8:55 am

dasmuggler says, above: "The gun did not wake up this morning and decide to do this act. The gun did not decide to choose a school. The individual did." Following this progression, the next sentence could have been: "The irresponsible man had guns, plural, at his disposal; he CHOSE to take the guns—-the guns didn't choose—-and murder human beings, American citizens, at a CT school. The roiling discussion here and all across America this morning concerns this: how to keep crazy Americans from murdering other Americans in cold blood. For sure, the murderer couldn't have murdered all those other human beings with those specific guns had they not been available to him.

windhampatriot December 14, 2012 at 5:20 pm

27 people were just murdered. Most of them children under 12. In the face of such a tradgey, seeing folks circle the wagons and posturing their political ideology first and foremost is troubling, if not sad. No one is going to touch your precious guns. But this is not about YOU or your political ideology. This is about children and what we need to collectively do as a people, as a nation, to better protect them–and not from law abiding citizens who handle guns responsibly–but from unstable persons who have clearly demonstrated they do not deserve the same freedoms of gun ownership. Let's take the discourse out of selfish, personal rights and start sounding the alarms over fear of increasing gun control (oh no, not that!) and focus more on what we can do to prevent guns from getting into the hands of people who NO ONE disputes should not have them. No one condones irresponsible journalism in today's "rush to get a story out" (that's wrong, like the above piece) media, but let's not use that as justification for some of this misguided and misplaced commentary.

David Badash December 14, 2012 at 7:14 pm

What was "irresponsible" about our reporting?

Here's another story that reports exactly what we did: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ct-schoo

DanKreischer December 14, 2012 at 5:30 pm

Half the hunters in my part of the woods own an Armalite (variant) AR-15- they're light, reliable, easy to maintain and modify. -I'm not saying to fully automatic- every time you pull the trigger is plenty fast enough for our purposes! This is a rather powerful weapon, well suited for hunting deer, and the reason so many of us have these is the reasons stated above. They're a little pricey, but they're a modern, dependable firearm. The gentleman who drives our church bus where I go just bought one recently- likes to go hunting when he can get away- ammunition doesn't cost a lot, and it's just an all around good machine.
Don't let me confuse you by what I'm about to say, but the caliber of the AR-15 usually comes chambered for .223 , and that's with a lot of powder behind it. With a scope it'll drop a deer at 76-100 yards pretty consistently. It looks scary because it's not like anything you've seen on "The Rifleman" (chambered .44-40 I believe, a devastating load suitable for anything up to and including buffalo!) Now as far as killing a human a smaller -much smaller- load works better. Our law enforcement uses a larger load in the assumption that when they are forced to engage that they're taking on somebody who also has a weapon, and they need the 'stopping power'. Actually about the best cartridge to kill a human being would be a regular old .22 close range to the head. It's not powerful enough to come back out the other side but but bounces around inside the skull and turns the brain into mashed potatoes, and this is the gun that most boys learn on at a very early age, and is considered a rather pedestrian plinking, varmint load. Also the choice of many hit men. Concealable, quiet, deadly. Don't blame the gun- it has everything to do with the shooter.

gansetter December 14, 2012 at 5:46 pm

A federal law-enforcement official said a .223 Bushmaster rifle was found in the back of a vehicle at the scene. Two firearms were recovered near the alleged gunman's body: a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both handguns.

dasmuggler December 14, 2012 at 9:50 pm

David, what I am upset about is that your article is incorrect. the shooter used 2 handguns and second that the article here shows a model of a somewhat uncommon hunting caliber rifle that you used to promote a viewpoint common to the website of gun control which is the one point of the liberal agenda I do not support. I've stated in several post today that I've been around guns since I was a kid. I have used them in jobs and I have had my very life saved by them. Put the argument as I said where it needs to be in getting a STRONGER background check in place that the Brady Bill already requires. The current background check is cursory at best done by the lowest bidder of a government contract because the better more qualified background checks cost more. Quit worrying about make and model arguments and make a REASONABLE one to include the cost of a more in depth background check that even the gun buyer would have to pay more for, and perhaps many more gun owners will back up these arguments. I do not agree with blatant imagery of any kind simply to promote a political viewpoint. In this case this article David, feels very much like you want to promote a viewpoint of banning guns and finding a pic of a make and model of a hunting rifle that outwardly looks more militaristic (looks a lot like an old M-16) to promote that viewpoint is wrong. In the article you do say "but possibly not the brand of gun the shooter used. The brand remains unknown" BUT the very title of your article is "This Is The Gun The Connecticut Elementary School Shooter Used"… Yes yes now that more accurate reports have come out that it is a Bushmaster version of the weapon but this morning when this first was posted was not clear and this seemed to be more political that news worthy. My hope is that a more sensible argument can be made for this issue that an all out swing to an extreme left or right side. Again thank you for your time and for responding.

David Badash December 15, 2012 at 7:16 pm

As we reported yesterday, from several sources, the gunman used a Bushmaster .223 rifle. Today, CNN, NBC, and the medical examiner stated all the children were shot multiple times with a Bushmaster .223 rifle.

Did we state as much information as possible, and were we as specific as possible? Yes. Did we ensure this was factual before reporting? Yes. Were we correct? Yes.

Did we do what many other news orgs did yesterday, and post the Facebook photo of Ryan Lanza, which we found early on, and, even when others did, did we? No. That was irresponsible.

THIS was not.

Do we have an agenda? Absolutely. Are we factual? Absolutely.

Thanks for engaging in a conversation.

EvanHurst December 15, 2012 at 5:39 am

David,

I'm not sympathetic to the gun rights advocates posting here, at ALL, but I'm uncomfortable with this post. I reposted it on Facebook and then deleted it, because I saw some of the comments. If this is not what was used, and I mean EXACTLY what was used, it's not a responsible post. I know to expect sensational and overwrought bullshit from one of your writers, but not from you.

David Badash December 15, 2012 at 7:09 pm

And now? Do you still feel it's incorrect or irresponsible?

toddcourt1 December 16, 2012 at 11:24 am

Getting in a reason to remove guns from responsible people because of the irresponsible acts of one unbalanced person can only be construed as political. To politicize a horrible tragedy like this so quickly after it happened is tasteless and in poor form at the very least, to me it's heartless and self serving. Trying to control nuts with guns is like trying to eliminate drug abuse, it's a never ending problem. It's almost moot. The problem here to me is more about how he was able to access the children. When children are at school, their safety is a liability of the school, for all circumstances. Bulletproof, reinforced glass would have prevented this guy from entering the school. Better security to protect the most defenseless seems more paramount to me then attempting to score political points and push a Bill through a congressional gridlock. We should fix the problems we can, not try to fix problems we know we can't. If you really want to make guns safer, require that they have an electronic trigger that becomes disabled in locations that it shouldn't be ever used.

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